House of Magneto...Versus

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House of Magneto...Versus

1. Magneto

2. Scarlet Witch (Avengers)

3. Pietro (X-men)

Magneto's family (at peak levels, no PIS, no CIS) takes on the below scenarios, can they overcome or survive each one?

- Win by elimination/KO of all enemies, OR if all members survive for 3 hours (no self-BFR)
- Battlefield: New York City

1. Ultron Invasion

2. X-men Villains (Sebastian Shaw, Future Sentinel)

3. Avenger Villains (Loki, Kurse, Abomination)

4. Avengers (Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, and Vision)

5. Justice League (Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern)

6. Justice League Villains (Ares, Zod, Faora, Doomsday, Enchantress)

7. Godzilla, Category 5 Kaiju (Pacific Rim), Smaug, Kraken (Clash of the Titans), Clover, Balrog

6

Too many heavy hitters

Enchantress can only be beaten with plot prep. She shouldn't be on this list.

Zod, Faora, and Ares get crushed in their armor though. Then turned into projectiles to use against Doomsday.

They make it through 3 for sure. 4 is extremely iffy. 5 and on flat out wont happen.

They stop at 4 for sure.

Originally posted by Psychotron
They stop at 4 for sure.

Nobody on Team 4 can even touch Quicksilver.

And Magneto can straight up body snatch Vision, Tony, and Mjolnir.

We've already seen Wanda's hex magic work on Hulk as well.

What's Quicksilver gonna do? Pull their pants down? He can't hurt any of those guys.

Thor could easily fry Magneto before he pulls any shit, and there's no on-screen proof that Magneto can wield Mjolnir.

Valid point about Hulk, but Vision does have the mind gem. He can potentially counter her. It won't matter once Magneto is down and the others gangbang Wanda, anyway.

Quicksilver while running is strong enough to toss people several hundred feet with ease, and punch Apocalypse around like a rag doll. At least Tony would get dinged up inside his armor. But the main point is they can't touch him.

Magneto literally can look in Thor's direction and yank Mjolnir out of his hand. And he wouldn't be "wielding" Mjolnir. He'd be manipulating it using his powers. It's made of metal, and Apocalypse boosted him to an insane degree. It'd be silly to think the big metal hammer is the one metal thing immune to him.

Wanda manipulated Vision as well. He was helpless against her for a while.

Tony gets crushed in his armor. Vision gets crushed. Thor loses Mjolnir and all long range combat abilities(until Ragnarok anyway). That just leaves Hulk who is vulnerable to Mjolnir whacks. As well as Wanda screwing with his head.

Oh, and they're fighting in New York and Magneto has shown he can manipulate entire cities worth of metal at once. Hulk gets skewered.

Originally posted by KingD19
Quicksilver while running is strong enough to toss people several hundred feet with ease, and punch Apocalypse around like a rag doll. At least Tony would get dinged up inside his armor. But the main point is they can't touch him.

Magneto literally can look in Thor's direction and yank Mjolnir out of his hand. And he wouldn't be "wielding" Mjolnir. He'd be manipulating it using his powers. It's made of metal, and Apocalypse boosted him to an insane degree. It'd be silly to think the big metal hammer is the one metal thing immune to him.

Wanda manipulated Vision as well. He was helpless against her for a while.

Tony gets crushed in his armor. Vision gets crushed. Thor loses Mjolnir and all long range combat abilities(until Ragnarok anyway). That just leaves Hulk who is vulnerable to Mjolnir whacks. As well as Wanda screwing with his head.

Oh, and they're fighting in New York and Magneto has shown he can manipulate entire cities worth of metal at once. Hulk gets skewered.

Thor and Hulk can get him with an AoE attack. Quicksilver is not a factor in this fight. He can't even hit Tony if he's flying.

Prove that. Prove that Magneto can yank Mjolnir away from Thor. Because he sure as hell can't in the comics. Odin's enchantment > Magneto's powers by a large margin.

For a few brief moments. She didn't really put him down and Vision didn't want to hurt her.

That's some imagination you've got. What's to stop Vision, Thor, and Tony from just blasting him to death with energy attacks as soon as the fight starts?

The key questions for me are:

1. How strong are Magneto's shields? We obviously can't know for sure, but given how much force (or mass) he can exert (control), should give some indication.

2. How hard can Quicksilver hit? He clearly has the durability to match. I haven't looked at the numbers, but wouldn't surprise me if his striking power is higher than a lot of people we consider very strong.

I think they make it past 5 because that team has certain vulnerabilities to Magneto. After that, I'm not sure.

Also, the list may not in the right order (though it looks good to me), so you can just say pass/fail for each round.

Magneto's shields are pretty much featless IIRC. I don't think they can withstand a charged hammer strike or several Leviathan punches.

Plus, Vision can just phase through them.

Somewhere around 6-7 the family gets taken down. Until then, Scarlet Witch is a non-factor as either

A) Magneto crushes everyone, or, more likely,

B) Quicksilver takes out all the competition whilst drinking a Tab and listening to the Blue Monday by Joy Division or whatever pop song is chosen to be in his Walkman.

Also, with no PIS or CIS, Quicksilver could grab Wonder Woman's sword in Round 5 and cut the Justice League down before they know what hit them. Superman might be able to jet off the ground in time to get high enough to start heat vision spamming or something like that though.

Rounds 6-7 just become exercises in futility:

- 2-3 of the Justice League villains are walking plot devices that can only be killed by specific people/objects.
- Don't see how the team does anything but die unless Magneto goes end of Apocalypse mode and basically destroys the Earth throwing metal at Godzilla and crew. And that's if his shields can withstand all the hits they'll be taking, which is a negative IMO.

^ remember survival also allows them to pass the round.

Originally posted by Placidity
^ remember survival also allows them to pass the round.

Missed that in the OP, thanks Placidity.

They win 10/10 all rounds then. Unless Enchantress has another walking plot device power, no one will know Quicksilver is even around unless he wants them to, meaning he can zip around the city unbeknownst to any enemy combatants.

And since PIS/CIS is off, he won't bother goofing off and adjusting Superman's spit curl or putting his arm around Diana or doing a Heisman pose off a kaiju or whatever it is movie Peter would do that would compromise his speed.

Re: House of Magneto...Versus

Originally posted by Placidity

1. Magneto

2. Scarlet Witch (Avengers)

3. Pietro (X-men)

Magneto's family (at peak levels, no PIS, no CIS) takes on the below scenarios, can they overcome or survive each one?

- Win by elimination/KO of all enemies, OR if all members survive for 3 hours (no self-BFR)
- Battlefield: New York City

1. Ultron Invasion

2. X-men Villains (Sebastian Shaw, Future Sentinel)

3. Avenger Villains (Loki, Kurse, Abomination)

4. Avengers (Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, and Vision)

5. Justice League (Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern)

6. Justice League Villains (Ares, Zod, Faora, Doomsday, Enchantress)

7. Godzilla, Category 5 Kaiju (Pacific Rim), Smaug, Kraken (Clash of the Titans), Clover, Balrog

I'm not sure they get pass 2 to be honest...

Every Sentinel ever created, starting at the Mark I's, were created specifically to be able to deal with Magneto...

In Days of Future Past, we saw Mags terrified of, and completely unable to fight, two Future Sentinels...

Inaddition, since we are saying that they are all "Magneto's family" are to then assume that both Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch are both mutants?

Because if so...lol.

The Sentinel could very well solo since Future Sentinels not only have Mystiques ability to mimic mutant abilities, but also have Rogues ability to Power Drain by touch...

And I'm betting that Quicksilver doesn't have a clue about the Power Drain (his Future self "might" know about it, but he also might not)...

Once the Sentinel touches Quicksilver (and Quicksilver will touch the Sentinel innocently as he doesn't know that touching them is a no-no) and acquires his power, Mags and Scarlett die very rapidly...

As a result I think there is an excellent chance that Mags family doesn't make it pass 2...

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Missed that in the OP, thanks Placidity.

They win 10/10 all rounds then. Unless Enchantress has another walking plot device power, no one will know Quicksilver is even around unless he wants them to, meaning he can zip around the city unbeknownst to any enemy combatants.

And since PIS/CIS is off, he won't bother goofing off and adjusting Superman's spit curl or putting his arm around Diana or doing a Heisman pose off a kaiju or whatever it is movie Peter would do that would compromise his speed.

Yeah this. If it's just survival, Quicksilver sprints around for 3 hours for an easy win.

He runs around until Hulk thunderclaps him or Thor starts spamming lightning attacks.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He runs around until Hulk thunderclaps him or Thor starts spamming lightning attacks.

Those will never hit him.

They're AoE. They're not gonna hit him if he self BFRs.

Ya, Quicksilver is just a movie-breaking character with his speed levels. He could've resolved both the conflicts in the DoFP and Apocalypse with ease if CIS and PIS were both disabled, as they are here. That means he's running at Blackbird explosion mansion evacuation speeds in each round till time runs out.

Even if he engages in combat, again, PIS/CIS are off, meaning if he punches Hulk/Thor/Supes/Zod and realizes he can't do any damage because they aren't regular people, he'll just zip around to run out the clock.

This is without taking into account Magneto, who can engage his shield and start throwing torrents of metal at whoever if need be once the opening bell rings. Or wrapping up an enemy in girders, pipes, tubular steel, etc. and throwing them the next state over. Or crushing Iron Man in his armor. Or dropping a building on someone.

It's unnecessary with his son being untouchable and in NYC, meaning Quicksilver can run through buildings, the streets, the subway, parks. And if somehow anyone spots him, they'll still be statues or at best moving in super slow motion to Peter, meaning he runs somewhere else until another big bad shows up.