House of Magneto...Versus

Originally posted by Raptor22
he'd have to carry both of them at the same time while holding their heads so they don't snap off (I don't think he has enough arms for that), and stopping every couple of minutes for a minute or two so they can breath and catch their breath, for 3 hrs. And if he doesn't carry both, then the remaining member has to survive the entire team on their own.

No he doesn't. In Apocalypse, he ran with someone over his shoulder, and someone tucked against his side. His powers defy logic and physics so all we know is at this point he can comfortably run with people and they're just fine.

Stopping won't be a problem. He can run a mile, and chill for a bit, hit and run until the 3 hours are up.

But the entire time Magneto still has access to the entire metal structure of New York.

Originally posted by Raptor22
he'd have to carry both of them at the same time while holding their heads so they don't snap off (I don't think he has enough arms for that), and stopping every couple of minutes for a minute or two so they can breath and catch their breath, for 3 hrs. And if he doesn't carry both, then the remaining member has to survive the entire team on their own.

Ya...QS can still do it. When he cleared the X-Mansion, he carried Beast, Mystique, and Moira as well as carrying or hammer-throwing around a dozen to 2 dozen kids and teens to safety (two of which he picked up under his arms whilst kicking a table to use as a surfboard out of the second story window). This was all to save them from an EXPLOSION, while he checking under desks for people and was taking breaks to eat a slice of pizza, drink some Tab, and moonwalk in a hallway.

Again, with CIS/PIS off, he is completely focused on running Mach 200k + whilst doing whatever he needs to in order to win the scenario at hand.

Granted, can he carry around Scarlet Witch - a liability in these battles IMO - and Mags for 3 hours without tiring? IDK. But him being able to pull through is more likely - plus Magneto activating his shields and throwing Harlem onto someone if things get hairy - than any of the teams laying waste to the House of M.

Originally posted by KingD19
No he doesn't. In Apocalypse, he ran with someone over his shoulder, and someone tucked against his side. His powers defy logic and physics so all we know is at this point he can comfortably run with people and they're just fine.

Stopping won't be a problem. He can run a mile, and chill for a bit, hit and run until the 3 hours are up.

But the entire time Magneto still has access to the entire metal structure of New York.

The problem I see with the hit and run is Wanda surviving it. Will Wanda be able to catch her breath and be ready for another sprint before say zod catches up? A mile to a kryptonian is nothing, how much could really recover before it's time to move again? And the next time, and the next... For 3 hrs. She'll probably need longer and longer when the cumulative effects start adding up. I just don't see her surviving it.

Yeah mags has the entire metal structure of new York, but now he has to survive for 3 hrs straight against entire powerhouse teams minus the 1 or 2 chasing qs. Does he or his shields have the strength or endurance for that?

Originally posted by Raptor22
I'll have to re-watch those scenes to remember the details. I remember him having to hold mags head in dofp, and mystiques at the end of apoc, and both of them being sick and needing a minute to compose themselves after a very short run.

The problem I see with the hit and run is Wanda surviving it. Will Wanda be able to catch her breath and be ready for another sprint before say zod catches up? A mile to a kryptonian is nothing, how much could really recover before it's time to move again? And the next time, and the next... For 3 hrs. She'll probably need longer and longer when the cumulative effects start adding up. I just don't see her surviving it.

Yeah mags has the entire metal structure of new York, but now he has to survive for 3 hrs straight against entire powerhouse teams minus the 1 or 2 chasing qs. Does he or his shields have the strength or endurance for that?

He held his head to keep him from getting whiplash in DoFP. And he did the same for Mystique presumably because he was jumping around on floating hunks of debris and metal.

But during the explosion scene he ran around with and tossed like Murdoch said well over a dozen people. Even a dog. When time restarted for all of them, they were confused but fine.

Originally posted by KingD19
He held his head to keep him from getting whiplash in DoFP. And he did the same for Mystique presumably because he was jumping around on floating hunks of debris and metal.

But during the explosion scene he ran around with and tossed like Murdoch said well over a dozen people. Even a dog. When time restarted for all of them, they were confused but fine.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Presumably he'd be jumping around on hunks of debris and such here since mags is going to be ripping up the city fighting the rest of the team. It'll also be harder for him to find time and a place for Wanda to recoup safely for a moment every minute or two when the whole city is being torn apart.

How? He can run miles in seconds. And the area of New York is about 304 miles squared. No one on any team is even a fraction of his speed. And his speed isn't hindered in any way carrying people, as when he's running fast gravity and stuff like that doesn't effect him.

^You're bringing up some good points, Raptor: if he does have to do the "whip-laaaaaash" thing with his dad and sis, again, things get froggy. I forgot about that aspect of him carrying people.

My biggest argument for Team Mags is that PIS/CIS is OFF. That means Peter will have at least a minute or two per enemy combatant to decide how best to win. Fight them? Grab a light pole and ram it through their chest? Fall back a couple miles with his team? What if he grabs an enemy and whirlwinds them around at his superspeed for 10 seconds and they die of extreme G-force overload? Peter moves at super-duper superspeed even with time slowed down.

There are a LOT of options for QS to use if he is going full bore.

Originally posted by KingD19
How? He can run miles in seconds. And the area of New York is about 304 miles squared. No one on any team is even a fraction of his speed. And his speed isn't hindered in any way carrying people, as when he's running fast gravity and stuff like that doesn't effect him.

What happens when she only has time to take a quick breath before a kryptonian arrives, or lightning starts falling, or the ground underneath them gets torn up by mags. Sry Wanda no time to breath, gots 2 go. Then that happens again, then again... Can she really hold up for 3 hrs of that?

Originally posted by Raptor22
but his speed doesn't matter when Wanda needs time to recover/catch her breath. They need to be stationary for a few seconds every minute or two, maybe less. The city's being torn apart by mags, kryptonians or whoever their fighting are flying around wrecking everything in sight.

What happens when she only has time to take a quick breath before a kryptonian arrives, or lightning starts falling, or the ground underneath them gets torn up by mags. Sry Wanda no time to breath, gots 2 go. Then that happens again, then again... Can she really hold up for 3 hrs of that?

Okay, let's do the math.

New York is 304 miles squared give or take, yes?

Pietro can run several miles at the least in a few seconds, yes?

So, he can run twenty miles in a few seconds, and just put them down and chill. He can literally just zip to a different borough and wait until they get close and then run them somewhere else. And that's if they can even find him, as not every team has a way to track them down.

Also there's no evidence he needs to stop for people to catch their breath. We've seen people both aware they're being moved by him(when he touches you before he uses his speed. And when they're frozen.(apparently he doesn't always need to protect them from whiplash as he didn't do it for anyone in the mansion)

But we've never heard or seen anything that shows a person has to stop for air.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
^You're bringing up some good points, Raptor: if he does have to do the "whip-laaaaaash" thing with his dad and sis, again, things get froggy. I forgot about that aspect of him carrying people.

My biggest argument for Team Mags is that PIS/CIS is OFF. That means Peter will have at least a minute or two per enemy combatant to decide how best to win. Fight them? Grab a light pole and ram it through their chest? Fall back a couple miles with his team? What if he grabs an enemy and whirlwinds them around at his superspeed for 10 seconds and they die of extreme G-force overload? Peter moves at super-duper superspeed even with time slowed down.

There are a LOT of options for QS to use if he is going full bore.

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay, let's do the math.

New York is 304 miles squared give or take, yes?

Pietro can run several miles at the least in a few seconds, yes?

So, he can run twenty miles in a few seconds, and just put them down and chill. He can literally just zip to a different borough and wait until they get close and then run them somewhere else. And that's if they can even find him, as not every team has a way to track them down.

Also there's no evidence he needs to stop for people to catch their breath. We've seen people both aware they're being moved by him(when he touches you before he uses his speed. And when they're frozen.(apparently he doesn't always need to protect them from whiplash as he didn't do it for anyone in the mansion)

But we've never heard or seen anything that shows a person has to stop for air.

I definately appreciate the polite debate so far, wish they could all be like this.

Originally posted by KingD19
A shitty way to win would be by cheating.

He is completely within the rules, and therefore winning that way is smart strategy and nothing else.

According to your logic, that means technical boxers who win on points and not knockouts are shitty.

People like Cap who beat guys like Spidey through experience, skill, and tenacity because they are outclassed are shitty.

Iron Man is shitty, because he doesn't have powers so he uses a suit of armor to fight.

Hulk is shitty because he transforms into Hulk and doesn't fight as Banner.

Thor is shitty because he uses Mjolnir.

Using what is available to you isn't shitty, dude. You're just salty.

But explain to me how a being who can only win fights by copying powers and apparently weakening their opponents(with another power they stole) and winning that way isn't shitty? But using the rules is?

Now this is salt.

Originally posted by Raptor22
I'm going to re-watch dofp, and apoc (at least the relevent scenes) this afternoon before I comment further, the school explosion scene is a bit hazy in my mind.

I definately appreciate the polite debate so far, wish they could all be like this.

Ya, that scene is straight Looney-Tunes type action.

It is a good thing to have a nice discourse on here.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Now this is salt.

How?

I'm just making examples using your logic that "utilizing the rules = pussy" while "stealing powers = not pussy"

Originally posted by KingD19
How?

I'm just making examples using your logic that "utilizing the rules = pussy" while "stealing powers = not pussy"

Look at that wall of text you wrote in response to some off hand comment. That's salt.

Yes, winning by exploiting arbitrary rules instead of winning a straight fight is being pussy.

So everyone in combat sports like boxing and MMA is a pussy?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So everyone in combat sports like boxing and MMA is a pussy?

Floyd Mayweather is a pussy because he wins on points and not KO's.

Submission specialists in the UFC are pussies because they win by tapout, not KO's.

Anyone who uses the rules is a pussy apparently, lol. 😂

Originally posted by Psychotron
Look at that wall of text you wrote in response to some off hand comment. That's salt.

Yes, winning by exploiting arbitrary rules instead of winning a straight fight is being pussy.

It's not an offhand comment since you've been championing it for a while with no evidence other than, "QS is a pussy because I don't like how he can win."

And you're being biased by saying that is pussy, but stealing powers so you can win isn't. How can you use the term "Straight Fight" when Sentinel's can only fight by cheating, making it unfair automatically?

Originally posted by KingD19
Floyd Mayweather is a pussy because he wins on points and not KO's.

You're wrong about that other shit, but this is 100% spot on. Floyd would get killed in a legit fight.

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