Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆Silent Masters ignorance on display once again...
Nope, Silent's right.
"The Deadpool" and "Wade Wilson" are not the same person.
Deadpool was far slower than Wade and if not for Wraith's teleportation he would've been screwed several times.
Wade was insanely faster.
Originally posted by KingD19
Nope, Silent's right."The Deadpool" and "Wade Wilson" are not the same person.
Deadpool was far slower than Wade and if not for Wraith's teleportation he would've been screwed several times.
Wade was insanely faster.
They're literally the same person. Wolverine and Sabretooth were just good enough to keep up.
Also, it should be noted that the terrain was a big part of why the held off Pool.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It's the same character with a healing factor, eye beams, and teleportation added. Why would he get slower?
It's a character that underwent major surgery and genetic manipulation, if you want to argue that he retained his speed, post a clip of him using it post surgery.
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's a character that underwent major surgery and genetic manipulation, if you want to argue that he retained his speed, post a clip of him using it post surgery.
Why don't you just rewatch the movie? Barakpool was dominating the fight despite the terrain and facing two superhuman opponents.
They only killed him because Wolverine hit him from behind while he was busy destroying Sabretooth.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I've seen the movie and know that he lost to 2 very low level super-humans.Loki wins.
That's like saying the Predator lost to one soldier in H2H.
I just re-watched the fight. Despite being 2v1 in a terrain that heavily favors them the furry brothers managed to tag him only once until Wolverine hit him from behind. He hit them a bunch of times, however.
Loki dies.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Shit argument. Loki can't even put him down. Pool only needs one hit with his adamantium blades, which will be easy with his speed, agility, and teleport.
Sure he can, remember his magical knives that were enough to drop Frost Giants with one hit, add that to his illusions + invisibility and Loki wins easily.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Loki's arrogance is just part of his character. It's no fault of Hulk's.Really? What combat feats does Loki have. Fighting a holding back Thor doesn't count.
Wade has super speed. Remember his bullet-blocking and cutting feats from earlier in the movie? That's far better than catching an arrow. Wade can deal with illusions via eye beam spam. Adamantium would **** him up. That shit cuts through everything that isn't adamantium. Even if Loki catches him he can just teleport out of it.
I never said it was Hulk's fault. I clearly said it was Loki's fault. Still doesn't change the fact that Hulk fought a Loki who wasn't even trying to fight back.
Fighting Thor and giving him a hard time IS a combat feat. If you don't want to consider it a feat then go ahead and get a mod ruling.
Wade has superspeed. Barakapool doesn't have superspeed. Same way Barakapool has adamantium claws but Wade doesn't.
Speaking of claws, adamantium claws are not lightsabers. They still need force behind them to properly cut through stuff. Remember the katanas that were easily blocking Wolverine's claws? Loki is more durable than that. I'm not saying he won't get cut, I'm saying it will need quite a lot of hits before he gets seriously injured. Same thing happened in the comics when Wolverine fought Thor. Wolverine connected with a bunch of solid hits but couldn't get a crippling shot in.
Now this is not comics, but there's really no proof out there that shows that adamantium can easily penetrate Asgardian durability.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said it was Hulk's fault. I clearly said it was Loki's fault. Still doesn't change the fact that Hulk fought a Loki who wasn't even trying to fight back.Fighting Thor and giving him a hard time IS a combat feat. If you don't want to consider it a feat then go ahead and get a mod ruling.
Wade has superspeed. Barakapool doesn't have superspeed. Same way Barakapool has adamantium claws but Wade doesn't.
Speaking of claws, adamantium claws are not lightsabers. They still need force behind them to properly cut through stuff. Remember the katanas that were easily blocking Wolverine's claws? Loki is more durable than that. I'm not saying he won't get cut, I'm saying it will need quite a lot of hits before he gets seriously injured. Same thing happened in the comics when Wolverine fought Thor. Wolverine connected with a bunch of solid hits but couldn't get a crippling shot in.
Now this is not comics, but there's really no proof out there that shows that adamantium can easily penetrate Asgardian durability.
So what makes you think that same arrogance won't come into play here?
Why are you acting like Thor wasn't holding back against Loki?
That's retarded. One's an ability, the other is equipment. Considering he was easily tagging Sabretooth and Wolverine despite it being 2v1 and the bad terrain I'd say his speed is fine. He definitely edges Loki in speed even if you take away his bullet time feats, which there is no reason to do.
I actually don't remember that, but I do remember Wolverine shredding a metal ladder with zero effort. I remember him cutting up pipes, guns, robotic arms and all kinds of other crap.
Thor's durability =/= Loki's durability. You can't apply comic Thor's feats to MCU Loki.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure he can, remember his magical knives that were enough to drop Frost Giants with one hit, add that to his illusions + invisibility and Loki wins easily.
You know Barakpool has a healing factor, right? Those knives aren't going to do shit.
Originally posted by Psychotron
So what makes you think that same arrogance won't come into play here?Why are you acting like Thor wasn't holding back against Loki?
That's retarded. One's an ability, the other is equipment. Considering he was easily tagging Sabretooth and Wolverine despite it being 2v1 and the bad terrain I'd say his speed is fine. He definitely edges Loki in speed even if you take away his bullet time feats, which there is no reason to do.
I actually don't remember that, but I do remember Wolverine shredding a metal ladder with zero effort. I remember him cutting up pipes, guns, robotic arms and all kinds of other crap.
Thor's durability =/= Loki's durability. You can't apply comic Thor's feats to MCU Loki.
You know Barakpool has a healing factor, right? Those knives aren't going to do shit.
Because Loki's arrogance doesn't interfere when he's actually trying to fight someone, like he did against frost giants and dark elves.
Fine don't use equipment. Use his eye beams instead.
Loki is more durable than metal ladders and metal pipes. Again, katanas can block Wolverine's claws. Yes they eventually do get cut, but it's not like Wolverine was easily able to claw through them. Loki is a lot more durable than a katana.
Loki actually has quite a number of durability feats himself that Thor doesn't have. Getting shot in the face for example and easily tanking it.
In Ultron Thor did get shot by Ultron's strafe run, so he's taken a bigger bullet and been okay. He just keeps running from guns for some reason, lol.
You're right though, and Loki is tougher than your average Asgardian, who can crumple a tac-knife in his palm by the blade. So while yes, Adamantium can cut Loki(it can cut anything), the question is is Barakapool strong enough to force it through his armor/flesh? I don't think so.
Originally posted by KingD19
In Ultron Thor did get shot by Ultron's strafe run, so he's taken a bigger bullet and been okay. He just keeps running from guns for some reason, lol.You're right though, and Loki is tougher than your average Asgardian, who can crumple a tac-knife in his palm by the blade. So while yes, Adamantium can cut Loki(it can cut anything), the question is is Barakapool strong enough to force it through his armor/flesh? I don't think so.
To be fair, I run away from heavy rain too even if it doesn't hurt me.
But anyway, this would be like us trying to cut up an oak table with a knife. Sure we can do damage eventually, but it will take time and it will be difficult. Especially if the oak table is fighting back.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Loki's arrogance doesn't interfere when he's actually trying to fight someone, like he did against frost giants and dark elves.Fine don't use equipment. Use his eye beams instead.
Loki is more durable than metal ladders and metal pipes. Again, katanas can block Wolverine's claws. Yes they eventually do get cut, but it's not like Wolverine was easily able to claw through them. Loki is a lot more durable than a katana.
Loki actually has quite a number of durability feats himself that Thor doesn't have. Getting shot in the face for example and easily tanking it.
Great, he can fight fodder.
Except there's no reason to think they'd take away his speed. And as I already said, even his fight against Wolverine and Sabretooth puts him far above Loki in that category.
Lets say Loki is durable enough to take a few shots from the adamantium before dying. How does Loki put down Barakpool? He's got Wolverine's HF so he's not getting killed by knives or blunt force trauma. Loki can't grab him and rip his head off because Barakpool is much faster and can teleport out of his grasp. Wade can also just keep his distance and spam his energy attack. What's Loki left with?