Thor/Surfer/Sentry (voided out) vs JLA

Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh yeah, that's what he was hitting me with ha...ha....

Carv, if you scream "kill me" at a police officer, and he shoots you, how much of your willingness to die factored into that bullet ability to kill you? In this case, Thor was the bullet.

That Bob fought off the influence of the Void to keep him dead is undeniable, as undeniable as Thor one shot disintegrating a solid trans character is.

The void got the jump on them, but Thor handled the void just fine after the amp was gone too.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180728-9.jpg

He's the one who picked him up and slammed him into the open field to get hit with the helicarier after all.

What does this panel mean to You?

"And Robert, I hate to be the one to tell this to you, especially now since you went to all this trouble...but this isn't going to work. You don't want it enough".

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8277ca4f3bd79ddf09e25569c58ffab4-c

Seems pretty obvious got darn obvious to me.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

I'm not a Sentry fan either, but... you can't just ignore Bob feeling guilty, asking the heroes to kill him and screaming the same thing in his final moments...

I am a sentry fan

But Im not gonna just assume a character can do something when its never been displayed or referenced...ever.

Originally posted by carver9
What does this panel mean to You?

"And Robert, I hate to be the one to tell this to you, especially now since you went to all this trouble...but this isn't going to work. You don't want it enough".

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8277ca4f3bd79ddf09e25569c58ffab4-c

Seems pretty obvious got darn obvious to me.

This...this doesn't even seem relevant to my post. Did you mean to respond to me?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

I'm not a Sentry fan either, but... you can't just ignore Bob feeling guilty, asking the heroes to kill him and screaming the same thing in his final moments...

Doesn't mean much.

If Sentry's powers really are that tied to his mindset, and he can do anything he wants, and he wanted to die...

Why not just kill himself?

Why ask Thor and the heroes to do so?

Edit: The answer some would say, is down to that scan carver posted. He didn't want it enough.

So which is it? He lost because he wanted to die, or he couldn't die because he didn't want it enough?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't mean much.

If Sentry's powers really are that tied to his mindset, and he can do anything he wants, and he wanted to die...

Why not just kill himself?

Why ask Thor and the heroes to do so?

Edit: The answer some would say, is down to that scan carver posted. He didn't want it enough.

So which is it? He lost because he wanted to die, or he couldn't die because he didn't want it enough?

He wanted to be executed by a hero.

In the end he wasn't really dead.

He just let his body near not regenerating in the Sun.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't mean much.

If Sentry's powers really are that tied to his mindset, and he can do anything he wants, and he wanted to die...

Why not just kill himself?

Why ask Thor and the heroes to do so?

Robert was fighting the Void influence, giving the AMPED heroes a chance to 'kill' him. I put 'kill' in quotes because he had already been killed twice prior to this and resurrected himself.

Bendis interview still counts... not obscure by any means.

Originally posted by zopzop
The same reason Dark Phoenix Jean was begging for Wolverine to kill her, she could just as easily killed herself. Or when Prof X challenged Dark Phoenix Jean to a psi dual. She helped him win and he even knew it.

Robert was fighting the Void influence, giving the AMPED heroes a chance to 'kill' him. I put 'kill' in quotes because he had already been killed twice prior to this and resurrected himself.

For some reasons nobody looks at the "What if 200" which shows the alternative if Sentry wasn't willing to die...

That's pretty much self-explanatory.

Originally posted by Damborgson
This...this doesn't even seem relevant to my post. Did you mean to respond to me?

Yes, it's in response to your post because if I had complete control mentally on if I could die or not and I allowed that bullet to kill me vs me just outright tanking said bullet or healing from that damage then that change the aspect of things. Basically, Bob allowed Thor to kill him. Got a question for ya, which attack is more devastating? Thor attack or this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3833639-sentry+20.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3833642-sentry+22.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3833646-sentry+26.jpg

Also, Morgana wiped him from existence and he still came back. What makes Thor attack better than what Sentry has dealt with? Also, remember, in the scan that I posted, it clearly tells us Sentry didn't die while he was in the sun because he didn't want it bad enough. If he wanted it bad enough like he did when he was fighting the Avengers, he would've died.

Originally posted by zopzop
The same reason Dark Phoenix Jean was begging for Wolverine to kill her, she could just as easily killed herself. Or when Prof X challenged Dark Phoenix Jean to a psi dual. She helped him win and he even knew it.

Robert was fighting the Void influence, giving the AMPED heroes a chance to 'kill' him. I put 'kill' in quotes because he had already been killed twice prior to this and resurrected himself.

Everytime I see on the board evidence that the Void is in control, people point to his speech bubbles.

Sometimes, they also point to his eyes.

Here, the Void/Sentry/Whatever is...a giant crab, lol. It wasn't Sentry in charge there.

In any case, Flash wins here. Time travel. Rob never gets that sweet sweet serum.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bendis interview still counts... not obscure by any means.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287
In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.
I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.
I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself.
Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened [Laughs].

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Everytime I see on the board evidence that the Void is in control, people point to his speech bubbles.

Sometimes, they also point to his eyes.

Here, the Void/Sentry/Whatever is...a giant crab, lol. It wasn't Sentry in charge there.

In any case, Flash wins here. Time travel. Rob never gets that sweet sweet serum.

Morgana Le Fey made Sentry explode with a Time kill.

It didn't work because Sentry came back and... Sentry can manipulate Time...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bendis interview still counts... not obscure by any means.

Wondered when this would come up.

Jamie Delano ran into him during a stroll near the British Museum, back when he was writing the first few arcs on Constantine's solo series, Hellblazer. "The figure caught my eye and cocked his head, flicked the ash from a ciggie, and continued without stopping," Delano told me. "For a few moments I considered following but thought better of it. I mean, what the **** would I say? And what trouble might one get into?" Peter Milligan saw Constantine at a party around 2009 and rushed after him, only to find he'd disappeared. Brian Azzarello saw him at a Chicago bar in the early aughts but avoided him. "The thing is about John is, the last thing you'd want to be is his friend," he told me.

So Alan Moore, Brian Azzarello, Jamie Delano and Peter Milligan have all given interviews where they have met John Constantine 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bendis interview still counts... not obscure by any means.

Interviews do not count.. welcome to kmc

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't mean much.

If Sentry's powers really are that tied to his mindset, and he can do anything he wants, and he wanted to die...

Why not just kill himself?

Why ask Thor and the heroes to do so?

Edit: The answer some would say, is down to that scan carver posted. He didn't want it enough.

So which is it? He lost because he wanted to die, or he couldn't die because he didn't want it enough?

This

Originally posted by RealityWarper
For some reasons nobody looks at the "What if 200" which shows the alternative if Sentry wasn't willing to die...

That's pretty much self-explanatory.

Because what ifs arent canon

Originally posted by RealityWarper
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287
In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.
I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.
I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself.
Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened [Laughs].

And yes, I mentioned What If 200 in one of my other posts. I realize alternate reality showings aren't canon, I just wanted to mention it cause Stan "The Father of Marvel Comics" Lee gave the book a thumbs up.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Interviews do not count.. welcome to kmc

They do count, we ignore only the obscure ones.

Ffs, Pr himself elaborated on the subject, many times:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Writer interviews are allowed when they add to or back up what's on panel. When they contradict it. that's the conflict.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They do count, we ignore only the obscure ones.

Ffs, Pr himself elaborated on the subject, many times:

Define obscure.

Alan Moore has given interviews to Wizard magazine on meeting Constantine.

Jamie Delano has given interviews where he talks about meeting Constantine:
http://cultofghoul.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/jamie-delano-interview-1.html

Brian Azarello has given an interview to Vulture:
http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/secret-history-of-john-constantine.html

Wizard and Vulture are hardly obscure. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, doesn't make it obscure.

So I guess we take them as proof, right? Constantine exists, here in the real world.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Define obscure.

Alan Moore has given interviews to Wizard magazine on meeting Constantine.

Jamie Delano has given interviews where he talks about meeting Constantine:
http://cultofghoul.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/jamie-delano-interview-1.html

Brian Azarello has given an interview to Vulture:
http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/secret-history-of-john-constantine.html

Wizard and Vulture are hardly obscure. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, doesn't make it obscure.

So I guess we take them as proof, right? Constantine exists, here in the real world.

That's one of the shittiest argument that I've ever read on a battle board.

That's a pathetic attempt at deflecting the discussion on another writer / topic at best...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They do count, we ignore only the obscure ones.

Ffs, Pr himself elaborated on the subject, many times:

It contradicts whats shown on panel

Ffs

How...?