Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Socialism is often the cause of the ills it attempts to fix. And when it's not, it doesn't necessarily make things any better.
You mean socialism didn't help your country? You guys just must be socialism'ing all wrong. If you were doing it the right way your country would be a utopia like all the other utopian socialist societies we have witnessed throughout history.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, right, nothing quite says great healthcare like being ranked the worst in the developed world for the 5th time running. 😂Nothing quite says great healthcare like having an average life expectancy notably lower than that of 23 other countries with socialised medicine. Or having the highest child mortality besides, or a maternal mortality that is increasing. American healthcare is just great.
FYI: The US cancer survival stats are widely attributed to America's proclivity to over-diagnosis and over-treatment i.e. cancer being treated when treatment isn't needed, or detected ahead of time. This is flawed data, and does not prove that America's post-diagnosis care is #1. Instead mortality rates provide little to right home about, they are average at best.
The fact that America is leading in medical research is great, but hardly surprising considering the countries size and resources, and meaningless if that theory isn't being put into effective practice. But hey ho wadda you know? Trump plans to cut global medical research by 2.2 billion dollars. Yay.
A few things of note. Obviously, I can't go through every country listed, but I do encourage others to do so. What I can say without any shadow of a doubt, is that these countries nowhere near as good as the USA.
Firstly, the infant morality rate is a long debunked myth. The USA ranks high on the infant morality list largely because we actually measure neonatal deaths, notably in premature infant fatalities, unlike other countries.
I'll admit that one thing you brought us is right: we don't have a great life expectancy. But that comes because as a consequence of freedom. Nobody will argue that personal responsibility and free choice is without negative ramifications for individuals who seek to abuse it.
As for quality care...well...I'm not sure what quality care means since that's a vague term that doesn't really mean anything until you define the term. Does Charlie Gard count as quality care?? Or how about the fact that the UK has banned obese people and smokers from getting routine surgeries?? Does that now count as quality care??
Originally posted by ESB -1138I'm convinced.
A few things of note. Obviously, I can't go through every country listed, but I do encourage others to do so. What I can say without any shadow of a doubt, is that these countries nowhere near as good as the USA.
Firstly, the infant morality rate is a long debunked myth. The USA ranks high on the infant morality list largely because we actually measure neonatal deaths, notably in premature infant fatalities, unlike other countries.Someone else posted an article that claimed something similar, but it was packaged as speculation not facts, so I'd appreciate evidence.
I'll admit that one thing you brought us is right: we don't have a great life expectancy. But that comes because as a consequence of freedom. Nobody will argue that personal responsibility and free choice is without negative ramifications for individuals who seek to abuse it.Please expand, which people are choosing to die early? And can you explain why maternal mortality is on the up? Seems deeply troubling.
As for quality care...well...I'm not sure what quality care means since that's a vague term that doesn't really mean anything until you define the term.From the report:
High-quality care is defined in the Fund's National Scorecard as care that is effective, safe, coordinated, and patient-centered.
It goes into detail on page 13 onwards - http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/files/publications/fund-report/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf
Does Charlie Gard count as quality care??Irrelevant.
Or how about the fact that the UK has banned obese people and smokers from getting routine surgeries?? Does that now count as quality care??That doesn't fall under quality of care at all, as they aren't getting any. 😘
Hmmmm.....UK healthcare not looking so good in this article.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Socialism is often the cause of the ills it attempts to fix. And when it's not, it doesn't necessarily make things any better.
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