Originally posted by RealityWarper
Why not ?Sentry didn't have schizophrenic, agoraphobic or generalised anxiety disorder crisis all the time.
And since the Death Seed event he said that he was cured of his agoraphobia in the Sun (and probably of his GAD too) and that the Void left him (meaning that he isn't schizo anymore).
He doesn't have his old personas anymore but the one of the Horseman of Death.
That every other version would beat Superman, was what I disagreed with.
Originally posted by RealityWarpercompletely commonplace for troubled individuals to "self diagnose" and denial is a key-player in mental disorders.
Why not ?Sentry didn't have schizophrenic, agoraphobic or generalised anxiety disorder crisis all the time.
And since the Death Seed event he said that he was cured of his agoraphobia in the Sun (and probably of his GAD too) and that the Void left him (meaning that he isn't schizo anymore).
He doesn't have his old personas anymore but the one of the Horseman of Death.
Superman doesn't manipulate the reality, Superman manipulates the Electromagnetic Energy that he stored from the Stars for a variety of effects. This has been established again in the New 52 when H'el was under a scientific observation.
Your theory is fun but Superman faced reality manipulators many times like the 5D imps and:
1) He was still manipulated, proving that he has no means to counter reality manipulation.
2) He never showed reality manipulation powers himself.
Sentry would stomp him with a thought.
Oh, I saw WHAT he was when he announced his "mental health" is now cured and whole. Very reassuring! Let's just say it... he looks great!
He has those mental disorders at all times. He simply may not b having episodes or acting-out at all times.
As far as my comment on Superman's subconscious reality manipulation goes, i just always thought it answered a lot of questions involving the fact that usually, Superman overcomes threats that should b too great for him, yet he always overcomes them. Stepping OUTSIDE of reality, to accomplish things that he should not b able to accomplish.
Just a theory.
Originally posted by Horrificus
completely commonplace for troubled individuals to "self diagnose" and denial is a key-player in mental disorders.Oh, I saw WHAT he was when he announced his "mental health" is now cured and whole. Very reassuring! Let's just say it... he looks great!
He has those mental disorders at all times. He simply may not b having episodes or acting-out at all times.
I can agree on some things but knowing when you are anxious or not doesn't require a Phd in psychoanalysis.
His personality has been replaced by the one of the Horseman of Death so he definitely has benefits on this on his mental recovery.
As far as my comment on Superman's subconscious reality manipulation goes, i just always thought it answered a lot of questions involving the fact that usually, Superman overcomes threats that should b too great for him, yet he always overcomes them. Stepping OUTSIDE of reality, to accomplish things that he should not b able to accomplish.Just a theory.
He doesn't.
He overcome threats by punching harder or calling for help.
Superman punches him out, like Blue Marvel did, like Thor did, like Hulk did. By on panel feats Superman is far far Stronger, far far faster and far more durable.
If this is Death Seed Sentry however it will be more interesting because Superman has to burn him with his HV (which is far hotter than our Sun) to an atomic level. Sure Sentry will regenerate over and over again from the atom, but this will take time and counts as a forum win.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman punches him out, like Blue Marvel did, like Thor did, like Hulk did.
Wrong.
Sentry is totally unaffected by physical damages.
Smashing Sentry's brain did nothing at all.
By on panel feats Superman is far far Stronger,
Sentry stopped the mighty Exitar himself stronger than the 4th host and Arishem from the 4th host threat 3 skyfathers (including Zeus & Odin) like fodder...
far far faster
The travel speed of both doesn't matter.
They are surely equals in term of combat speed AKA both are slow powerhouses.
and far more durable.
Not even close.
Sentry is superior in magnitude to Molecule Man. That makes his durability on another realm if he wants to.
If this is Death Seed Sentry however it will be more interesting
The only difference between DS and the others is the lack of mental weaknesses, the lack of morals and the obvious fact that he doesn't roleplay, he is a Horseman of Dearth.
Anyway Sentry = Void = DS Sentry in power, that's the same character with the same unlimited power-set and power-level.
because Superman has to burn him with his HV (which is far hotter than our Sun) to an atomic level.
Which will do absolutely nothing.
Sentry absorbed multiple planet-busting attacks against Photon and Superman's HV doesn't come close to that level of destructive capacity.
Sentry was able to counter Molecule Man's molecule manipulation which is on a magnitude that Superman can't even expect to come close.
Sure Sentry will regenerate over and over again from the
atom,
It's not about "regenerating from an atom"... That was a figure of speech. Sentry has been completely disintegrated at a subatomic-level by Molecule Man and can instantly come back from that.
Anyway there is little hint that Superman can't even harm him at all... And even if he could physically damaging him is pointless.
but this will take time and counts as a forum win.
Superman dying is clearly a forum win.
Sentry doesn't has molecular manipulation. Bendis said so and his word is law.
"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn’t mean that he actually did."
Originally posted by h1a8
Is matter manipulation the same as reality warping?
Also Sentry only did that to MM as a counter to what MM was doing. He never used matter manipulation on any one else. It doesn't strike me that is something that he will do, otherwise he would have did it to the avengers.
It's even stated that he wants to be found, wants to fail, that's why he never killed the DA off:
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Avengers-2009/Issue-11?id=17521#25
All the time his personality was split, his emotions were divided, confused. He wanted to fail and he did. If this is not weakened, then nothing is.
Sentry wanted to die, voided out and Void took control to survive and was killed. There some people argue that Sentry was weakened and wanted to die, even though Sentry wasn't there but instead the Void.
When MM is unstable, wants to be found, wants to fail, he is suddenly at full power, even though he blatantly states "I control the very molecules of the world. Well, the ones around me." So he already tells us how big his control or power is right now, very limited and far from Universal or Multiversal.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry doesn't has molecular manipulation. Bendis said so and his word is law."Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn’t mean that he actually did."
This has already been explained very well to you.
Bendis was explaining the deceptive nature of the Void...
He said in another interview that Sentry has the ability to craft, to form a reality at a molecular-level and there is no limits to the power-level he has.
It doesn't matter if you can't deal with it.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And MM was weakened, his mental state was unstable, he was afraid, lonely, crazy and sad
Again, it doesn't matter how Molecule Man is feeling.
It's only his beliefs in his abilities that matters.
If Molecule Man believes that he can do something, he can do it.
If MM believes he cannot do something then he cannot.
Plain and simple.
It's even stated that he wants to be found, wants to fail, that's why he never killed the DA off:
The creations of Molecule Man aren't stating truth.
They are showing MM's inner interrogations and thought.
He outright responded to them and said that he doesn't want to be found or lose.
Molecule Man isn't very smart and he was afraid and paranoid that Reed Richards comes and find a way to stop him, because Richards can outsmart him.
Again, there is nothing that indicate a loss of ability or power-level. It's the opposite.
All the time his personality was split, his emotions were divided, confused. He wanted to fail and he did.
He didn't want to fail.
He did his best to assure his self-preservation.
He even forced the hand to Osborn.
The only reason why he lost was because Sentry came back and put the shit out of him because he is more powerful than him. Period.
If this is not weakened, then nothing is.
Sentry wanted to die, voided out and Void took control to survive and was killed.
Bullshit again.
The Void took control to force Thor to "kill" him.
There some people argue that Sentry was weakened and wanted to die, even though Sentry wasn't there but instead the Void.
I guess that you are blind.
Robert asked Thor to kill him and so did the Void.
Bob weakened himself on purpose so Thor can kill him.
You can deny it all you want.
Previously Thor said that he throwed his most powerful attack at Void and it had no effect at all.
When MM is unstable,
He was unstable but this doesn't matter.
wants to be found, wants to fail,
You clearly didn't read the story.
He never wanted to be found. That's the reason why he made people disappear in the first place but he had no idea that will attract the attention. MM is an idiot.
He didn't want to fail at all. He did his best and Sentry stopped him.
Again that's the facts against your beliefs.
he is suddenly at full power, even though he blatantly states "I control the very molecules of the world. Well, the ones around me."
He states multiple times in the story that all he wants is being in his town and he outright state he doesn't use his powers to avoid attracting the attention of the outside.
He wasn't limited in scope, he just chosen not to use his powers outside of the city, that would have make no sense at all.
Molecule Man was protecting his territory and nothing else.
I guarantee you that a Phd in comics isn't needed to understand this story.
So he already tells us how big his control or power is right now, very limited and far from Universal or Multiversal.
No.
He showed that he didn't want to exert his powers outside of his territory.
That's different that not having the ability to do it.
Your lowballing doesn't matter.
Sentry stomps Superman with a thought.
