I can't sleep, so I'm going to type about how you're wrong.
So, Yoda clearly had his eyes set on Leia to be the next jedi, not Luke. To be honest, he'd had a point. Anakin, Leia, and Padme were all some of the most accomplished people of their times by the age of 19. Luke, by that age, was making vroom vroom noises with toy spaceships. And he wasn't the best choice of student for all of what Yoda said. Now, while Obi-Wan, because he'd been so close to Luke this entire time, convinced Yoda that Luke was a worthy student, if Luke would have stayed on that desert planet, likely Leia would have become the jedi, defeated the emperor, found out Luke was her brother, gotten him off Tatooine, taught him in the ways of the Force, and pretty much the EXACT same thing would have happened afterwards, except with Leia taking the role of Luke and vice versa.
Originally posted by ZentrexThe only reason the Deathstar was destroyed was because the trench was just like Beggar's Canyon back home and bullseying womp rats back home with his t-16 and they aren't much bigger than 2 meters.
I can't sleep, so I'm going to type about how you're wrong.So, Yoda clearly had his eyes set on Leia to be the next jedi, not Luke. To be honest, he'd had a point. Anakin, Leia, and Padme were all some of the most accomplished people of their times by the age of 19. Luke, by that age, was making vroom vroom noises with toy spaceships. And he wasn't the best choice of student for all of what Yoda said. Now, while Obi-Wan, because he'd been so close to Luke this entire time, convinced Yoda that Luke was a worthy student, if Luke would have stayed on that desert planet, likely Leia would have become the jedi, defeated the emperor, found out Luke was her brother, gotten him off Tatooine, taught him in the ways of the Force, and pretty much the EXACT same thing would have happened afterwards, except with Leia taking the role of Luke and vice versa.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
The only reason the Deathstar was destroyed was because the trench was just like Beggar's Canyon back home and bullseying womp rats back home with his t-16 and they aren't much bigger than 2 meters.
The WHOLE reason, though? Cause the computer and human skill failed. It was the Force which made it work. Anyone that has the Force could have made the proton torpedoes go into the exhaust port.
Originally posted by ZentrexNot the whole reason, but the only reason it was destroyed was because of Luke's piloting skills beforehand. Obviously the force helped, no one is denying that.
The WHOLE reason, though? Cause the computer and human skill failed. It was the Force which made it work. Anyone that has the Force could have made the proton torpedoes go into the exhaust port.
The difference is if you would have put Leia up there she would have force guided herself into the wall and killed herself, and the Deathstar would have not been destroyed.
Well, perhaps she would have just stayed on a ship close to the death star with x-wings around her to distract the turbolasers. She could then have an x-wing fire a shot, and she'd use the Force to guide into the shaft. I know that sounds stupid, but Yoda was fairly confident that Leia was the better choice, so maybe he had a point?...
In the TLJ novelization, Luke had a premonition of what his life would've been if he hadn't left home with Kenobi.
In short, he would've never left Tatooine at all, he would've never become a Jedi, Leia would've been executed, the Death Star would've destroyed Alderaan, Mon Cala, and Chandrila, and the Empire itself would've never fallen.
What if that premonition wasn't entirely accurate? Are there not other possibilities? Is Kenobi's death the sole catalyst for what happened? And was Yoda going to do nothing about this? And the hundreds of other Jedi that survived order 66? I'm not a believer. Also, it's really stupid that the Empire would never have died. Darth Vader would have killed the emperor, one way or another. It was supposed to be inevitable.
And that's just the canon timeline. The legends continuity is different. I can't see that happening.
Originally posted by ZentrexLeia was too aggressive and political to ever be the Jedi Yoda and Ben needed. She would have fallen to the dark side by failing the test that Luke passed when he spared Vader's life after killing him.
I can't sleep, so I'm going to type about how you're wrong.So, Yoda clearly had his eyes set on Leia to be the next jedi, not Luke. To be honest, he'd had a point. Anakin, Leia, and Padme were all some of the most accomplished people of their times by the age of 19. Luke, by that age, was making vroom vroom noises with toy spaceships. And he wasn't the best choice of student for all of what Yoda said. Now, while Obi-Wan, because he'd been so close to Luke this entire time, convinced Yoda that Luke was a worthy student, if Luke would have stayed on that desert planet, likely Leia would have become the jedi, defeated the emperor, found out Luke was her brother, gotten him off Tatooine, taught him in the ways of the Force, and pretty much the EXACT same thing would have happened afterwards, except with Leia taking the role of Luke and vice versa.
Luke being a dumbass flyover-state hick filled with humble pie ultimately worked in his favor.
This isn't even taking into consideration of course that if Luke wasn't in the picture Leia and the Rebellion would have just been destroyed by the Death Star.
Originally posted by ZentrexThe movies themselves answer your question.
What if that premonition wasn't entirely accurate? Are there not other possibilities? Is Kenobi's death the sole catalyst for what happened? And was Yoda going to do nothing about this? And the hundreds of other Jedi that survived order 66? I'm not a believer. Also, it's really stupid that the Empire would never have died. Darth Vader would have killed the emperor, one way or another. It was supposed to be inevitable.And that's just the canon timeline. The legends continuity is different. I can't see that happening.
"That boy was our last hope."
"No. There is another."
As far as both Yoda and Obi-Wan were concerned the Skywalkers were the last hope for defeating the dark side.
Originally posted by ZentrexThe force itself intentionally gave Luke that premonition(even though he had tried to cut himself off from it entirely.) So yes, I'd put a lot of stock in it, tbh.
What if that premonition wasn't entirely accurate?
"That was no ordinary dream, and you know it," Luke thought to himself.
Luke raised the hood of his jacket with his mechanical hand, stroking his beard with the flesh-and-blood one. He wanted to argue with himself, but he knew better. The Force was at work here--it had cloaked itself in a dream, to slip through the defenses he'd thrown up against it. But was the dream a promise? A warning? Or both?-TLJ
Originally posted by ZentrexWell, he spent the 22 years between RotS and ESB doing almost nothing of note, and then another year continuing to do almost nothing... Then he died.
And was Yoda going to do nothing about this?
So no, I don't think Yoda would have tried to solo the entire Empire.
Originally posted by ZentrexAlmost all of the Jedi who survived O66 had been purged by the time ANH rolled around, and those who remained were certainly no challenge to Vader -- let alone Palpatine.
And the hundreds of other Jedi that survived order 66?
*Only* Luke(and presumably Leia) had the potential to truly threaten Vader/Palpatine. If they had been removed from play from the get-go, it would have drastically changed everything.
Originally posted by ZentrexWhy? If Luke/Leia weren't in the picture, the Empire would have never been truly compromised.
Also, it's really stupid that the Empire would never have died.
Originally posted by ZentrexVader ultimately redeemed himself(and killed Palpatine) BECAUSE OF his love for Luke. If Luke weren't in the picture, it is very unlikely that Vader would've ever made a move against Palpatine.
Darth Vader would have killed the emperor, one way or another. It was supposed to be inevitable.
Originally posted by Galan007
In the TLJ novelization, Luke had a premonition of what his life would've been if he hadn't left home with Kenobi.In short, he would've never left Tatooine at all, he would've never become a Jedi, Leia would've been executed, the Death Star would've destroyed Alderaan, Mon Cala, and Chandrila, and the Empire itself would've never fallen.