Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma vs Darth Caedus and Jaina Solo Fel

LotF:
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3. Kyp
4. Mara
5-6-7-8: Lumiya/Saba/Jaina/Lobi

FotJ:
(-Abeloth-)
(-Taalon-)
1. Luke
2-3-4: Hidden One - Kyp - Darish Vol
5. Jaina

LotF/FotJ
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3-4-5: Kyp - Hidden One - Darish Vol
6. Jaina
7. Mara/Workan

Anyway, that Jacen is 2nd doesn't means he's close to Luke in any way (I'd argue that he is somewhat close in 'sabers tho). That being said, yes, there sre only a handful of people that could do better against Luke than Jacen did - but he's in no way close to Luke, really. Jaina isn't that close to Jacen, either.

Workan? Also, the Hidden One is overrated.

His best feat is chucking stuff at Luke, moving Luke back with Alter Environment and Lightning(though not really hurting him) and getting one-shotted by Luke with a single kick. It's hard to see him comparing so well with Kyp, Jaina or Mara, tbh.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
LotF:
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3. Kyp
4. Mara
5-6-7-8: Lumiya/Saba/Jaina/Lobi

This is pretty solid. Do you recall how easily Caedus beat Saba? He was unable to do that to Jaina, which would make me put Jaina above Saba. Jaina could reasonably be above Mara or Kyp too, imo. Kyp is more powerful in the force, and Mara has her vast experience as an assassin that could let her utilize an environment to be more tricky, but if I was told Jaina could take 6/10 fights against either of the two I wouldn't be surprised.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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FotJ:
(-Abeloth-)
(-Taalon-)
1. Luke
2-3-4: Hidden One - Kyp - Darish Vol
5. Jaina
[/B]

You could probably throw Krayt in there above Kyp and Jaina, perhaps Vol.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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LotF/FotJ
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3-4-5: Kyp - Hidden One - Darish Vol
6. Jaina
7. Mara/Workan
[/B]

When did Saba fought Jacen?

Team 1

Originally posted by Ursumeles
When did Saba fought Jacen?

Sometime during LOTF. Some Jedi infiltrated Jacen's ship, and Saba encountered him. He fried her with lightening, iirc.

Quote?

I remember Saba, Luke & Ben confronting Jacen, tho.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Rank them relative to eachother is what I meant. Would you put Caedus in the top 5 of that era? Who would you place above Jaina but below Caedus in that era? Losing to Luke doesn't mean he isn't incredibly powerful/skilled.

I think you're missing the point, here. My point is that while Jacen is certainly the 2nd most powerful Jedi/force user of the era, that fact doesn't preclude him being far below Luke, and Jaina even moreso. Which leads me back to my original point: what have Jaina and Caedus done, in your opinion, that lead you to believe that they would destroy this team, (which is the implication I get when you say the strike team that Caedus essentially dominated would defeat Exar Kun, lol)?

Team 1, if I'm honest. Exar and Caedus is a close fight and Ulic should be superior to Jaina, imo.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I think you're missing the point, here. My point is that while Jacen is certainly the 2nd most powerful Jedi/force user of the era, that fact doesn't preclude him being far below Luke, and Jaina even moreso. Which leads me back to my original point: what have Jaina and Caedus done, in your opinion, that lead you to believe that they would destroy this team, (which is the implication I get when you say the strike team that Caedus essentially dominated would defeat Exar Kun, lol)?

I don't think this fight is a mismatch. Yes, I think Katarn and the knights would take out Kun or Droma.

Neither of the sith could contend with Luke as well as Jacen did.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Quote?

I remember Saba, Luke & Ben confronting Jacen, tho.

I do not have the book available to quote, sorry. That could have been the group that infiltrated Jacen's ship, but when Saba and Jacen encountered each other it was 1v1, and Jacen took Saba out quickly with force lightening. I may be off a little here, but that is what I think happened.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
but when Saba and Jacen encountered each other it was 1v1, and Jacen took Saba out quickly with force lightening. I may be off a little here, but that is what I think happened.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I don't think this fight is a mismatch. Yes, I think Katarn and the knights would take out Kun or Droma.

Neither of the sith could contend with Luke as well as Jacen did.

Well I mean, this exchange is completely pointless if you don't elaborate on your opinions/give reasons.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Completely false.

What happened? I admitted I wasn't sure. Be useful for once.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well I mean, this exchange is completely pointless if you don't elaborate on your opinions/give reasons.

I'm here to share my opinion and see other people's opinions. This isn't a debate. You can win a debate and still be wrong. This is as pointless as you make it.

So you're here to see people say "team 1 wins" or "team 2 wins" with no reasoning behind it? Interesting.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So you're here to see people say "team 1 wins" or "team 2 wins" with no reasoning behind it? Interesting.

You're good at making assumptions with erroneous reasoning. Interesting.

Christ, Vorpal wins the award for the most pretentious yet irrelevant debater to ever grace KMC.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Be useful for once.

#Roasted

#Toasted

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Christ, Vorpal wins the award for the most pretentious yet irrelevant debater to ever grace KMC.

Thanks for providing nothing except "wrong." You remind me of a current egomaniac, idiotic president. I'm not a debater, child; you may have noticed that if you could grasp the string of words I posted earlier.

I really can't tell if your being serious here, but whatever the case, it's really funny. I don't think Skillz or I even know who you are. Did we have a run in with you a couple years ago that hurt your feelings?

Trump 2020, BTW.