Black Adam Vs Namor & Aquaman

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
So, they haven't knocked him out? Apart from regularly beating up Iron Man and Ben Grimm, and hanging in there with his "friend" old jade jaws, show me Namor hanging with a low herald.

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and, despite the rain that had only just started, namor was dehydrated when he fought thor. the next page says it clear as day. you're also missing context for the wm fight.

namor's also one of the very few heroes in marvel who has actually scored a clean, ko win vs the hulk. not sure why you wouldn't think IM is a great win. IM has beaten nearly everyone in marvel at one time or another. he's done very well against hercules in the past on a couple occasions, beaten up the super skrull, absolutely dominated rulk and had good showings against several others including a lengthy draw against black bolt.

namor is among the top bricks in marvel, when he isn't in need of water.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Well, Namor is almost a non-factor Thor and Wonderman have knocked him out.

Originally posted by zopzop
He kind of did though, this is what happened prior to the end :

Notice, Namor knocked Simon out the fight long enough to be distracted and have an entire conversation with Whizzer before Simon sucker attacked him with his back turned.

People are also forgetting, Namor was dying and needed Serum from Dr Doom to keep him alive (the suit Reed designed was wrecked by Doom) :

So Simon sucker attacked a dying Namor.

Against Thor, there's context there too. Namor was away from the ocean for so long he was so weak even the rain couldn't replenish him :

yep. 👆

I have both those comics and is anything I said untrue? In Invaders Thor knocked him out swiftly, and the power of Wonderman was enough to do the job handily. Adam will be hitting harder and faster... I understand Namor is a fan fave for many, tbh I've never got why people like him, ultimate Namor, on the other hand, was excellent. I think you guys are giving him undue credit, as for the Hulk most characters have outliers, e.g. Spiderman and Firelord, Black Panther and the Surfer. The Hulk is simply Namor's.

not sure how you can suggest that when he's fought thor very well since that encounter. compare like opponents between him and namor. hulk has decimated simon, hercules almost killed him. it took all he had to beat abomination in a brutal fight while namor handled him easily. the difference between simon and namor is minute, to say the least. current arthur is as strong as he is and has his trident. arthur alone would give current adam a hell of a fight, like he did wonder woman. the 2 combined, can certainly take him down.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure how you can suggest that when he's fought thor very well since that encounter. compare like opponents between him and namor. hulk has decimated simon, hercules almost killed him. it took all he had to beat abomination in a brutal fight while namor handled him easily. the difference between simon and namor is minute, to say the least. current arthur is as strong as he is and has his trident. arthur alone would give current adam a hell of a fight, like he did wonder woman. the 2 combined, can certainly take him down.

Speed kills.
And BA could murder each if he was bloodlusted.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure how you can suggest that when he's fought thor very well since that encounter. compare like opponents between him and namor. hulk has decimated simon, hercules almost killed him. it took all he had to beat abomination in a brutal fight while namor handled him easily. the difference between simon and namor is minute, to say the least. current arthur is as strong as he is and has his trident. arthur alone would give current adam a hell of a fight, like he did wonder woman. the 2 combined, can certainly take him down.

and so long as we're looking at all showings, ben wrecked simon, easily. is he a jobber too? and for a while there, everyone struggled with cage.

how about you list some of current adam's impressive feats....? or better, show some scans. i'd love to see them. 👆

Ben wrecked Simon? When?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ben wrecked Simon? When?

Now for the context behind the ownage : Xemu had mindcontrolled Simon and told him to beat Thing. Simon couldn't do it and Thing was getting the upper hand so Xemu had to jump in and help.

They fought a second time, once again Simon was mindcontrolled BUT Thing was holding back and didn't want to hurt Simon too badly :

Full fight here

This like asking

Thor vs Namor and Aquaman, or Silver Surfer vs Namor and Aquaman

Originally posted by Board Walker
This like asking

Thor vs Namor and Aquaman, or Silver Surfer vs Namor and Aquaman

Pretty much

Originally posted by leonidas
and so long as we're looking at all showings, ben wrecked simon, easily. is he a jobber too? and for a while there, everyone struggled with cage.

how about you list some of current adam's impressive feats....? or better, show some scans. i'd love to see them. 👆

I again have the comics, comics and not scans.

Suggest what? We are talking about a guy who struggled with Luke Cage in water aren't we? Namor is a jobber, Adam isn't.

Adam is a peer of Superman... everything else is filler, except Namor being a jobber. Which he is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fight Two. Hulk is under the control of the Puppet Master. Namor KO's him eventually via whirlpool. TTA #100
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Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
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Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
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Namor makes up for it here though, as he utterly and completely wrecks Iron Man. Illuminati One-Shot
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For this fight, Namor is in possession of the Cosmic Cube so he can control the battle-field. However, he is explicitly not amping his physical stats until the end when he wishes to find out who is stronger when both are at full strength. This issue suggests that Namor is stronger underwater, Herc is stronger on land, and when both are at full capacity they are dead even. Avengers #40
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Another stalemate with neither displaying a strength edge. Avengers #262
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Namor takes some big shots from the assembled Avengers before he moves on to a one-on-one with Hercules. The two combatant's dialogue seems to suggest that Namor is the stronger of the two underwater. He then goes on to punk Crystal. Namor #58
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Their most recent fight. Not much to go on, Hercules seems to have a bit of an edge on land but Namor seems confident he will be the stronger of the two when in the water. Incredible Hercules #122
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Anybody who has been said to be an equal of Immortal Hercules is ****ing stronger than Thing. Its not even questionable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has to fight a blood-lusted Thor here and manages a stalemate before the fight is interrupted. Namor seems dominant when the fight briefly goes underwater. Atlantis Rising #1
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We've seen a bloodlusted Thor KILL Thing with one hammer shot. Here he suckers Namor and Namor still gains upper hand underwater.

Black Bolt

Namor fights Black Bolt to a stand-still on land. FF #402
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The Sentry

This is the only true one-on-one fight they have had, though they mixed it up a bit in Avengers/Invaders (check "The Avengers" section below). The Avenging Son doesn't make much offensive head-way but Sentry is in a pretty nutty mood and the writer seemed to really respect him so Namor taking this brutal pounding and being more or less completely unharmed is a good showing. X-Men Exodus
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The Avengers

Here are Namor's contributions to the group fight in Avengers/Invaders. He exchanges blows pretty evenly with Sentry (who mysteriously disappears half way through the fight) and then man-handles Wonder Man and Ares completely. Avengers/Invaders #2
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The Thunderbolts

Another group fight here. Namor's contributions include punching out Radioactive Man and utterly destroying Penance. Avengers/Invaders #1
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😂

He manhandled Simon and Ares like they were his bitches. Thing wishes he was as strong as Namor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, if you really want to compare fight between Simon and Namor, compare these two scenes.

Mind you, this is just seconds after he fought a whole team of avengers including Hercules.

Simon vs Tyrannus controlled Abomination. This is the strongest version of Simon who overpowered Thor in a grappling contest.

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Well just say that Abomination was merciful and didn't gave Simon a wedgie.

Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear: if Black Adam realizes he will lose unless he uses his speed here...what do you feel he then does?

For such a realization to never occur would mean that one second BA will be all "pshh, speed is for lesser men" and then the next second he'll be KO'ed or dead.

I'll demonstrate what I mean

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Here we see BA see Atom Smashers fist coming at him and he makes no attempt to dodge despite his vastly greater speed. He would know that AS is about an 80 tonner and think he could take it. He was surprised just how powerful AS's strike was because AS has the power to alter his mass. He has the power to make his fist have less mass to wind up, use his 80 tonne strength to throw it and then change it back to a vastly greater mass when striking. BA was not worried about Atom Smasher at all so did'nt dodge.

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Here on the other hand he clearly monitors how AS uses his mass because he knows what Al Can do with it. because he knows how devastating Atom Smashers punches can be despite have strength vastly below him he monitors his mass changes. I'd wager if AS tried to strike him having once been knocked though the JSA brownstones roof and across a city block by one he would not just let that punch hit him.

obviously if it got to a point where BA knew he would loose without the use of speed he would use it. But is it going to be that cut and dried. Namor has had good fights with Hulk and Thor before. I doubt in any of those fights those two thought Namor was going to be as much a problem as he was. Arthur has had decent fights with Dianna and others not far behind also. I just think they could make it close enough to take a slight majority because their fight would be such that I don't think Adam would ever see himself in danger.

Namor has been defeated both on land and underwater by porpoises and dolphins, though. He's even been defeated by the Thing underwater quite recently.

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In all seriousness though, even with the team I still think BA can take this on land if he goes all out, especially using his full speed - and I think he will if he realizes he's going to get a tough fight out of these two. Though BA doesn't quite seem what he used to be since the reboot.

There was a time when I would have said he beats them underwater too, though with more difficulty. But again, these days the difference between Superman tier characters and those underneath them seems less than what it was. I guess they might have a chance underwater.

Originally posted by beatboks
He was surprised just how powerful AS's strike was because AS has the power to alter his mass. He has the power to make his fist have less mass to wind up, use his 80 tonne strength to throw it and then change it back to a vastly greater mass when striking.

preboot, i'd say adam would beat them as well--land or sea most likely. post reboot? he isn't even CLOSE to a peer of superman, not if supes is trying at all. i still think the team takes it more often than not, unless namor is dehydrated. /shrg

Originally posted by basilisk

Off topic, that technique doesn't make a great deal of sense.

It does if you understand basic physics

Force = mass x acceleration

Since AS can lift 80 tonnes he can move his arm if he makes it weigh 100 grams can get to a velocity of 8000m/s

In an impact the change in force x change time = mass x change in velocity

So if he makes that arm weigh say 500 kg on impact while he strikes at 8000m/s that makes it the equivilwnt od the blow a 400 tonner can produce since a fist strikes and changes velocity ina second.

There's nothing to say he couldnt make his arm weigh 10 grams not 100 and make it 4000 tonner blow or heavier than 500kg on impact. He can after all reduce his density to become completely intangible or increase it to become impervious

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I again have the comics, comics and not scans.

Suggest what? We are talking about a guy who struggled with Luke Cage in water aren't we? Namor is a jobber, Adam isn't.

Adam is a peer of Superman... everything else is filler, except Namor being a jobber. Which he is.

namor's a jobber? adam is a peer of superman? and the actual proof that you are wrong is....filler?

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ok, took me a couple posts to realize you're not actually debating this, but rather spouting off random nonsense and trolling. not surprising i guess since you have already said you can't stand namor. my bad for assuming you might be someone with a lack of bias and an open mind. but carry on. i just have a strict "do not entertain idocy" policy in place for myself, so shall politely excuse myself from replying to you anymore. 👆