Originally posted by Board Walker
This like askingThor vs Namor and Aquaman, or Silver Surfer vs Namor and Aquaman
Originally posted by leonidas
he isn't even CLOSE to a peer of superman
Originally posted by beatboksBut you would have downward force of the increased mass of the fist and more energy required to keep the punch level. If someone ties a heavy dumbbell to your wrist by a short cord but holds it while you wind up and throw a punch then lets go, I don't think it will help your punch much. OK, you can't quite magically add mass to an object in real life in quite the same way as a magic fist in a comic, but still. You would have to assume the magically added mass was already accelerated to the same speed as the fist was already traveling when it was added in order for M x A to work - AS might be cheating his way out of doing it but that means something else has to - ah, it's all just comic book physics/magic anyway.
It does if you understand basic physicsForce = mass x acceleration
Since AS can lift 80 tonnes he can move his arm if he makes it weigh 100 grams can get to a velocity of 8000m/s
In an impact the change in force x change time = mass x change in velocity
So if he makes that arm weigh say 500 kg on impact while he strikes at 8000m/s that makes it the equivilwnt od the blow a 400 tonner can produce since a fist strikes and changes velocity ina second.
There's nothing to say he couldnt make his arm weigh 10 grams not 100 and make it 4000 tonner blow or heavier than 500kg on impact. He can after all reduce his density to become completely intangible or increase it to become impervious
Originally posted by Steve ZodiacIt's interesting. CM was portrayed as almost an equal to Supes by many writers, with BA around the same level as CM. I remember back at the time of Morrison's big 7/expanded JLA era, Morrison said that CM was the only JLA member who could contest an arm wrestle with Superman.
Of course, he is a peer to Superman, Kingdom Come, Justice and a million other stories show writer and creator intent. Hey, how many times has Billy been the guy to knock Supes out?Adam is not Superman's equal but he is nearer Superman than he is Namor or Aquaman.
These days though, I don't think DC want to portray CM and BA as being at that level, and there is more emphasis on the lightning powers (also they've long made Billy something of a dimwit but more so lately).
Originally posted by basilisk
It's interesting. CM was portrayed as almost an equal to Supes by many writers, with BA around the same level as CM. I remember back at the time of Morrison's big 7/expanded JLA era, Morrison said that CM was the only JLA member who could contest an arm wrestle with Superman.These days though, I don't think DC want to portray CM and BA as being at that level, and there is more emphasis on the lightning powers (also they've long made Billy something of a dimwit but more so lately).
I agree if this is new 52 era BA the team has a chance.
Originally posted by leonidas
facepalmthat's basically what i said.
🙄 Really?
Moving on, the thing about the Hulk and Namor is Adam's thunderclap is a bit more potent. Here it one shots Powergirl. New 52 didn't really work out for DC though so... Oh, and what tier would you put the other guy his Clap deals with? You saw who it was, right? Adam also no sold Kryptonian heat vision there btw.
Originally posted by basilisk
But you would have downward force of the increased mass of the fist and more energy required to keep the punch level. If someone ties a heavy dumbbell to your wrist by a short cord but holds it while you wind up and throw a punch then lets go, I don't think it will help your punch much. OK, you can't quite magically add mass to an object in real life in quite the same way as a magic fist in a comic, but still. You would have to assume the magically added mass was already accelerated to the same speed as the fist was already traveling when it was added in order for M x A to work - AS might be cheating his way out of doing it but that means something else has to - ah, it's all just comic book physics/magic anyway.
The "downward force" etc you mention would only be the case if he changed his mass/density dirimg swing (affecting the velocity) NOT if he changes it at the instance of impact. Its been stayed and shown on panel tjat he can strike like powergirl by mass manip despite being a fraction of her strength.
Of course if he changed the mass during punch he would reduce his velocity. Its the exact same principle as a Flash IMP only Nuklons limits dont get near the "infinite" part of IMP.
Also Nuklons powers arent "magical" he's the grandson of a matter manipulator who split the atom in 1942 a couple years b4 the manhattan project
Bottom line thats hiwnits stated to work in the comics that he increases hisnstriking power via altering mass. Simce he was shown to strike as hard as PG when he is no where that strong
Originally posted by basiliskInteresting but why do halter weights help static long jumpers ala the ancient Greeks? Because they do.
But you would have downward force of the increased mass of the fist and more energy required to keep the punch level. If someone ties a heavy dumbbell to your wrist by a short cord but holds it while you wind up and throw a punch then lets go, I don't think it will help your punch much. OK, you can't quite magically add mass to an object in real life in quite the same way as a magic fist in a comic, but still. You would have to assume the magically added mass was already accelerated to the same speed as the fist was already traveling when it was added in order for M x A to work - AS might be cheating his way out of doing it but that means something else has to - ah, it's all just comic book physics/magic anyway.
Originally posted by beatboksJust meant "magic" in terms of it can't be done like that in the real world.
Also Nuklons powers arent "magical" he's the grandson of a matter manipulator who split the atom in 1942 a couple years b4 the manhattan project
Originally posted by Steve ZodiacYou still have to swing the weights, or your arms, though. Some sort of force is being applied to the extra mass by the jumper. Again, what would happen if somehow someone suddenly just attached the halter weights to your body mid jump, as dead weights not objects in motion. I really don't think it would help.
Interesting but why do halter weights help static long jumpers ala the ancient Greeks? Because they do.
Originally posted by basiliskAhh but in that case they would pull it straight down and stop the intended vector of motion if you added them to the vector the force was already travelling in the force at impact would increase surely.
Just meant "magic" in terms of it can't be done like that in the real world.You still have to swing the weights, or your arms, though. Some sort of force is being applied to the extra mass by the jumper. Again, what would happen if somehow someone suddenly just attached the halter weights to your body mid jump, as dead weights not objects in motion. I really don't think it would help.
Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear: if Black Adam realizes he will lose unless he uses his speed here...what do you feel he then does?For such a realization to never occur would mean that one second BA will be all "pshh, speed is for lesser men" and then the next second he'll be KO'ed or dead.
He powered through the Marvel's attacks..... because he wasn't going to lose.
Sure, fine, he's not going to speed blitzing at Mach 10,000 at the Ring of the bell or whatever.
But people are acting as if he's going to be beaten to death (or KO) and at no point would he think , hmmm I AM much faster, I should try using my speed.
Originally posted by Steve ZodiacYeah but that's really what I'm saying. It would take energy to do that - something would already have to have applied force to the extra mass when he added it, otherwise it would be just the dead weight. So while he is winding up his fist something would have to be doing the same to that nebulous extra mass somewhere else, equivalent to the jumper applying energy to swing the weights vs just jumping with the weights in his hand - then I guess yes, it would increase the force of the punch. Weird, but in comic books I guess it works that way.
Ahh but in that case they would pull it straight down and stop the intended vector of motion if you added them to the vector the force was already travelling in the force at impact would increase surely.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 this.He powered through the Marvel's attacks..... because he wasn't going to lose.
Sure, fine, he's not going to speed blitzing at Mach 10,000 at the Ring of the bell or whatever.
But people are acting as if he's going to be beaten to death (or KO) and at no point would he think , hmmm I AM much faster, I should try using my speed.
But thats justvit, based on feats hes NOT "much" faster. Hebhas the speed of heru not mercury or hermes. Hermes is the fastest of the gods and he was onky faster than Wally when Wally was a sonic speedster.
Originally posted by basiliskFair enough, we are in agreement then 🙂
Yeah but that's really what I'm saying. It would take energy to do that - something would already have to have applied force to the extra mass when he added it, otherwise it would be just the dead weight. So while he is winding up his fist something would have to be doing the same to that nebulous extra mass somewhere else, equivalent to the jumper applying energy to swing the weights vs just jumping with the weights in his hand - then I guess yes, it would increase the force of the punch. Weird, but in comic books I guess it works that way.