Kylo Ren runs a gauntlet

I'm curious where everyone holds him as the general consensus. Fight takes place in the Utapau hangar bay where Grievous fight Kenobi. Kylo is fully refreshed after every round.

1. TPM Obi
2. TPM Jinn
3. AOTC Obi
4. AOTC Anakin
5. Grievous
6. TPM Maul
7. ROTS Obi
8. ROTS "light side" Anakin
9. Dooku
10. "Zonakin"

TPM Obi, thrashes him.

Stops at Jinn

1. Kylo isn't as good as one of the best PT fighters.

whos kylo ren

Stops at 1, LOL.

Probably stops at 1, Kylo's still kind of vague.

In sabers at least he stops at 1.

All-Out he might take it to 2.

Force only he might be able to ragdoll up to 4

TPM Obi.

Originally posted by Kurk
In sabers at least he stops at 1.

All-Out he might take it to 2.

Force only he might be able to ragdoll up to 4

I don't want to laugh at your opinion, but did he do anything impressive to any trained force users?

Originally posted by deathslash
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I don't want to laugh at your opinion, but did he do anything impressive to any trained force users?

Kylo's too vaguely defined. He could be above Ventress or Grievous level combatants, or he could be a sub-TPM Kenobi level *****. I'm inclined to say somewhere between 2 and 6

You know it occurs to me, even with the new movie, how is gauging Kylo or Rey gonna be a thing? Yeah Rey is gonna train with Luke, but then where is she gonna be relative to other Force Users?

The same with Kylo, yeah he'll probably fight a trained Rey but then...he's only going to go off of her as far as where his fighting abilities go. But then how would you figure out, if either combatant are on such and such level compared to others?

We can't gauge them based off their relation to other characters. Only off their own feats.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
We can't gauge them based off their relation to other characters. Only off their own feats.

Right, but as far as fighting goes, they will only be fighting eachother. But how would it then be determined, that they fall under whichever bracket where other fighters are?

TBH, holistically, I'd confidently assert Kylo should be>TPM Kenobi

I assume we're scaling augmentation to Force power. We gauge other people's augmentation level ( Vader dodging/blocking fire from an army over a long period of time ) and their Force feats ( being more powerful then a version of himself which destroyed a superstructure designed to handle long term oceanic pressure at the bottom of the ocean ) and the scale that way. That's what we did in Legends.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Kylo's too vaguely defined. He could be above Ventress or Grievous level combatants

But how? Ventress+Grievous feats, even in Canon, are astronomically above Kylo.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I assume we're scaling augmentation to Force power. We gauge other people's augmentation level ( Vader dodging/blocking fire from an army over a long period of time ) and their Force feats ( being more powerful then a version of himself which destroyed a superstructure designed to handle long term oceanic pressure at the bottom of the ocean ) and the scale that way. That's what we did in Legends.

Well going by there, wouldn't Kylo be then above TPM Obi? Yet everyone says he loses to him? Cause I don't think TPM Obi showed much with Force powers in a combat scenario, whereas you have Kylo able to probe minds and KOing via TP, freeze blaster bolts and I think a few more things according to the TFA novel.

Well, that depends on which is better. Freezing a blaster in place or Obi Wan being able to last against TPM Maul on the basis of his augmentation. Maul seemed to possess the same power he had around TPM once Talzin restored him so that means it was probably within TPM Maul's capabilities to drag that ship off of a cliff ( especially considering the version of Maul which did that was only recently restored and had been injured ). I'd say they're around even given the blaster bolt had enough energy to cause an explosive blast but TPM Kenobi edges it out due to his superiority in regards to technical skill.