USIntel Concludes North Korea is makiing nuclear warheads

Originally posted by Robtard
Going into N. Korea would be another blunder that would out scale the epic blunder that was the second Iraq war. Thousands of US deaths, tens of thousands Iraqi deaths and a 1.8 [b]Trillion (and still rising due to associated costs) hole burned into US tax payer's wallet and for what? To kill Saddam and his two shitty sons, wreck the country and leave it an unstable and dangerous breeding ground. But hey, defense/weapons contractors and the rich investors got richer.[/b]

In Saddam's case, it was the apparent posturing of having WMDs. In Kim's case, there's no doubt about the weapons.

So why hasn't anything been done about it? Basically, they are holding their citizens and the rest of south east Asia hostage.

I've heard that Generals are saying even we were to take out 90% of their military capability in the initial strike, they would still be perfectly capable of flattening much of Seoul in retribution.

So I do agree that regime change in this case would be a disaster (I don't agree with the general premise that it's always a disaster, though).

You want to deal with NK? You let the ****ing Chinese do it. You tell them to have Kimmy behave or we'll stop buying your cheap plastic products, your fabrics, your steel etc. China's going to notice a 450billion dollar loss more than we'll notice a 115billion one. But that's not going to happen, because Trump needs to have his Big Bad.

As for the trade war/boycott idea... I'm guessing they would call our bluff. If you want an actual trade war with China then I think you're nuts.

Are we doing the history revision thing again? How lovely. Reality: Saddam stated over and over that he was abiding by UN rules and was not pursuing nukes up until the start of war. Several other countries backed his claim, even some of our allies. eg Remember when the Right thing to do was hate on France? "Freedom Fries!"

Wouldn't come to a trade war, China would lose more; it knows that. It's not happening because Kimmy's more valuable as a big visible enemy to frighten the rubes.

What's the solution to nuclear NK then?

There really is no solution, its the world we live in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are we doing the history revision thing again? How lovely. Reality: Saddam stated over and over that he was abiding by UN rules and was not pursuing nukes up until the start of war. Several other countries backed his claim, even some of our allies. eg Remember when the Right thing to do was hate on France? "Freedom Fries!"

Wouldn't come to a trade war, China would lose more; it knows that. It's not happening because Kimmy's more valuable as a big visible enemy to frighten the rubes.

What's the solution to nuclear NK then?

so imma have to go with "i dunno"

And yet he said openly he had no nukes and was abiding by UN rules every time Bush gave him one of his deadlines leading up to the invasion.

If NK really wanted to be dealt with, China could force their hand. China is NK's major trade partner, if China stopped, NK would be more ****ed than it is now.

Fair enough.

NK threatning to strike Guam.

NK plotting Guam strike

The Guam thing is from a statement on their state run media outlet - aka, propaganda. Take it with a big grain of salt.

I'm amazed how the US intelligence community has morphed from being uselessly incompetent peddlers of fake news to suddenly being the font of infallible knowledge in such a short time.

Originally posted by BackFire
The Guam thing is from a statement on their state run media outlet - aka, propaganda. Take it with a big grain of salt.

I have heard this statement for almost 10 years regarding North Korea, and look where we are.

Originally posted by Sable
I have heard this statement for almost 10 years regarding North Korea, and look where we are.

Yes, they have yet to actually attack anything.

If they were actually going to attack Guam, they certainly wouldn't announce it on the news hours/days beforehand.

Disregarding threats and an advanced missile program way beyond what everyone thought based on they haven't attacked anyone isn't the right approach. The UN needs to deal a $50 billion dollar sanction to them. That will end this charade.

Originally posted by Sable
Disregarding threats and an advanced missile program way beyond what everyone thought based on they haven't attacked anyone isn't the right approach. The UN needs to deal a $50 billion dollar sanction to them. That will end this charade.

I didn't say it should be disregarded, I said it should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's obviously a serious threat and should be treated as such, but NK has a history of bluster and making threats and then not following through. There's also just nothing to be gained for Kim by attacking Guam. It would provoke full blowback from America and pretty much no country would back him at that point. Probably not even China or Russia.

Originally posted by BackFire
I didn't say it should be disregarded, I said it should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's obviously a serious threat and should be treated as such, but NK has a history of bluster and making threats and then not following through. There's also just nothing to be gained for Kim by attacking Guam. It would provoke full blowback from America and pretty much no country would back him at that point. Probably not even China or Russia.

Since its pretty clear he has a nuclear detterant, and NK is now an armed nuclear power, with over 2,000 artillary pointed right into S.Korea, he's got more chips then people think.

I don't think he does. He wants to remain in power, and he wants his country to continue to exist, those are the only things he really cares about. Attacking Guam, or SK or Japan for that matter will only ensure that neither of those things happens.

I thiml we are on two different lines. I am saying he has his forbidden nuclear program, which is a deterrant. He probbably wont strike Guam, but the fact he has nukes now with a ever so advancing nuclear program far beyond what we knew till now. He can keep going until he has a massive nuclear arsenal. Hundreds if not thousands, and whos going to stop him.

Yeah that's true, regardless of whether he actually attacks anyone anytime soon, him simply having nukes is a huge global problem, let alone having a lot of nukes.

Originally posted by Sable
I doubt Trump goes to war with North Korea. Hes doing this so he has a nuclear detterant.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United states. They will be met with the fire and the fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening beyond a normal state, and as I said they will be met with the fire and fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. Thank you."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/world/asia/north-korea-un-sanctions-nuclear-missile-united-nations.html

Let's hope Trump is trying to just puff his chest but that sounded like Norman Osborn monologue bro. NK is a very unstable nation with a comic book level crazy head of state. Legit delusional. And he's afraid, terrified by what has happened to other dictators. The level of patience and strategy needed to deal with him requires a far better man than any of us can vote for. Worse, the person in charge is an even bigger man child than G.W Bush.

Sooooo I think a lot of innocent people might die if this goes sideways, including some in the West. We can't even trust the corporate interests to maintain the status quo as Kim is batshit crazy.

That is where you are wrong. Kim isnt crazy and as smart as you might think you are, hes smarter. He isnt afraid of anyone, everything you just said is dead wrong. Trump is smarter then Bush and wont be sucked into a war like both Bushes.

Both leaders are incompetent Manchildren.

Trump has already shown he is a hypocritical piece of shit by dropping the MOAB/bombing Syria, giving him nuclear capabilities when he is incapable of forming any sort of strategy and has the attention span of a gnat is also unsettling as ****.