Originally posted by Sable
That is where you are wrong. Kim isnt crazy and as smart as you might think you are, hes smarter. He isnt afraid of anyone, everything you just said is dead wrong. Trump is smarter then Bush and wont be sucked into a war like both Bushes.
Kim is definitely batshit crazy but I never said he was dumb or I was smarter than him. Although I don't know how you can conclusively say he's more intelligent than me or anyone else on this board? Okay,
You say this....but Trumps statement and actions since taking office have proven that he most likely will if Kim makes bad tweets about him.
Originally posted by Robtardwhich doesnt contradict anything i've said. if he was a power with WMDs trying to hide it from the world, he would obviously lie about having them. the fact remains that he confessed to purposely feeding into the narrative that he did have them in a more rounda bout way, so as to appear strong. WMDs were always a central focus of saddam's foreign policy.
And yet he said openly he had no nukes and was abiding by UN rules every time Bush gave him one of his deadlines leading up to the invasion.
If NK really wanted to be dealt with, China could force their hand. China is NK's major trade partner, if China stopped, NK would be more ****ed than it is now.i agree that if China wanted to stop them, then they could do so. i'm saying they dont want to, and threatening a trade war won't force their hand.
Originally posted by Surtur
You know given the serious nature of the NK situation you'd think/hope the media would leave the Anti-Trump hysteria behind, but nope.
I think in times of crises we should be extra critical of our leaders, NO MATTER who it is. The whole, us vs. them and unequivocal support of the public isn't usually a good sign imo. Especially now that Trump is given the thumbs up by God. Last time stuff like this started lining up, the US basically violates international law and invaded a country on a lie and anyone who disagreed was labeled as anti-American and a supporter of 9/11 terrorists by the vast majority.
My rule of thumb is that when a large part of the VOCAL majority is in favour of something, giving an ear to the minority is very important.
Your dismissal of criticism against Trump as Anti-Trump hysteria because we have to gear up for NK is kind of scary. Next it will be unpatriotic to critique Trump and those not in favour of attacking NK are communists. I -hope- that's a worst case unrealistic scenario.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think in times of crises we should be extra critical of our leaders, NO MATTER who it is. The whole, us vs. them and unequivocal support of the public isn't usually a good sign imo. Especially now that Trump is given the thumbs up by God. Last time stuff like this started lining up, the US basically violates international law and invaded a country on a lie and anyone who disagreed was labeled as anti-American and a supporter of 9/11 terrorists by the vast majority.My rule of thumb is that when a large part of the VOCAL majority is in favour of something, giving an ear to the minority is very important.
You can be extra critical without being hysterical though. It's a lesson the left needs to learn ASAP.
What you just said would also hold more weight if they weren't extra critical of Trump 100% of the time lol. They are. They whined because he got an extra scoop of ice cream.
Originally posted by Surtur
You can be extra critical without being hysterical though. It's a lesson the left needs to learn ASAP.What you just said would also hold more weight if they weren't extra critical of Trump 100% of the time lol. They are. They whined because he got an extra scoop of ice cream.
why does the 'left' need to learn this lesson ASAP?
So what? He's an elected official. They should 110% critical 100% of the time. People in positions of authority should be criticized at all times and under a microscope.
You keep saying 'they' who are 'they'? That them vs. us mentality as if everyone who is critical against Trump has a team t-shirt is dangerous thinking. It's a sea of people with indistinguishable voices offering criticism. Also it wasn't just a scope of ice cream: Your statement is misleading. It was what it represented about his mentality but that's irrelevant. I'm sure some people ran too far with it but it's 2017, some ******* with social media always will. Doesn't make Trump criticism any less valid.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
why does the 'left' need to learn this lesson ASAP?
Because a majority of our media are left leaning.
So what? He's an elected official. They should 110% critical 100% of the time. People in positions of authority should be criticized at all times and under a microscope.
Except they didn't do it for Obama. Not to the same extent. And I doubt they will do it for the next democratic president either.
You keep saying 'they' who are 'they'? That them vs. us mentality as if everyone who is critical against Trump has a team t-shirt is dangerous thinking. It's a sea of people with indistinguishable voices offering criticism. Also it wasn't just a scope of ice cream: Your statement is misleading. It was what it represented about his mentality but that's irrelevant. I'm sure some people ran too far with it but it's 2017, some ******* with social media always will. Doesn't make Trump criticism any less valid.
"They" is the media. Yes, they whined over a scoop of ice cream, and here you are defending it lol. Cuz it speaks to his "mentality". It speaks to their mentality to whine over anything and everything. The "us vs them" is hardly unique to Trumpers, but okay.
Here you illustrate a perfect problem. You can't even admit the ice cream thing was asinine lol. You totally can, it doesn't mean you support Trump or like him. Bullshit needs to be called out, not just when Trump pulls bullshit.
Which is another reason I don't take them seriously. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, anyone? Barely a peep from the media. Trump gets an extra scoop of ice cream? Cover it. Sean Spicer has a flag pin and comes out with it upside down? Cover it. Person connected to the DNC arrested after trying to flee the country? Shh. Media outlets exposed for being reluctant to cover the Lynch/Clinton meeting? Shh.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think in times of crises we should be extra critical of our leaders, NO MATTER who it is. The whole, us vs. them and unequivocal support of the public isn't usually a good sign imo. Especially now that Trump is given the thumbs up by God. Last time stuff like this started lining up, the US basically violates international law and invaded a country on a lie and anyone who disagreed was labeled as anti-American and a supporter of 9/11 terrorists by the vast majority.My rule of thumb is that when a large part of the VOCAL majority is in favour of something, giving an ear to the minority is very important.
Your dismissal of criticism against Trump as Anti-Trump hysteria because we have to gear up for NK is kind of scary. Next it will be unpatriotic to critique Trump and those not in favour of attacking NK are communists. I -hope- that's a worst case unrealistic scenario.
BINGO
Similar was done during the early stages of the Iraq war, if you dared open your mouth that Bush was wrong and that we maybe shouldn't be in Iraq, you were insta labeled an 'America hater", "don't support the troops", "unpatriotic" etc by these same types of people.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthere is of course a difference between "being critical" and framing every single issue in terms of "how does this help/hurt Trump?"
I think in times of crises we should be extra critical of our leaders, NO MATTER who it is. The whole, us vs. them and unequivocal support of the public isn't usually a good sign imo. Especially now that Trump is given the thumbs up by God. Last time stuff like this started lining up, the US basically violates international law and invaded a country on a lie and anyone who disagreed was labeled as anti-American and a supporter of 9/11 terrorists by the vast majority.My rule of thumb is that when a large part of the VOCAL majority is in favour of something, giving an ear to the minority is very important.
Your dismissal of criticism against Trump as Anti-Trump hysteria because we have to gear up for NK is kind of scary. Next it will be unpatriotic to critique Trump and those not in favour of attacking NK are communists. I -hope- that's a worst case unrealistic scenario.
I think very often the teamsport aspect of politics is actually making a it harder to approach any given topic from an angle other than either being pro or anti-trump. And i think that ultimately is stifling a lot discussion, not encouraging it.