The North Korea / United States War (2017)

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
The position of the white house is that they essentially draw the line somewhere short of NK being capable of hitting us with an ICBM mounted with a nuke, IIRC.

But I don't even necessarily think that red line is ultimately something we will back up. But it is certainly something worth bluffing on, if nothing else. You guys seem utterly ambiguous about the implications of NK gaining the capability to hit us.

You have illustrated the craziness of America. I feel this sums it up:

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
But I don't even necessarily think that red line is ultimately something we will back up. But it is certainly something worth bluffing on, if nothing else.

Any parent will tell you that empty threats do not work. If you say, "Don't do that or else," and then they do it, and there is no "or else," all you succeeded in doing is showing them that they can get away with ignoring you, because you don't really mean what you say.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Any parent will tell you that empty threats do not work. If you say, "Don't do that or else," and then they do it, and there is no "or else," all you succeeded in doing is showing them that they can get away with ignoring you, because you don't really mean what you say.

Lol...was this satire?

No, it actually happened in real life, they broadcasted it and everything. 😘

They broadcasted parents saying empty threats do not work?

Case closed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, it actually happened in real life, they broadcasted it and everything. 😘

Trump: If you make one more threat to the United States, you will be met with "fire and fury the likes the world has never seen."

Kim Jong-un: Just for that, we are working on a plan to deploy four missiles that would envelope Guam in a wall of fire.

Trump: You better not!

What happened to the "fire and fury" he promised if they made any more threats to the United States? Oh, that's right, it was just empty posturing from an empty suit. North Korea responded today saying his statement is a "load of nonsense" before accusing him of being senile and spending too much time on golf. That is not a joke, Kim Jong-un literally said Trump is senile, that his threats are nonsense, and that he plays too much golf. What an embarrassment.

Lol, this is why I just do not take leftists seriously. You just whined about his threat being an empty threat.

So, the opposite of an empty threat is one followed through. So you'd prefer he attacked them? If not, why are you whining? You seem like someone who would b*tch either way no matter what Trump does.

Bonus question: did you whine as much when Obama said he was drawing a line and then did nothing once it was crossed? Were you embarrassed then? Of course you were. You couldn't be consistent otherwise.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Any parent will tell you that empty threats do not work. If you say, "Don't do that or else," and then they do it, and there is no "or else," all you succeeded in doing is showing them that they can get away with ignoring you, because you don't really mean what you say.

Yes, you can lose face by constantly issuing empty threats. This is why it's not a useful way to raise kids; because those threats are easy enough to follow up on.

But when you're dealing with geopolitics you do sometimes get into a situation where you don't have much of a hand to play other than just posturing and trying to pressure the opposition into capitulating. It's a bad place to be in, but it's by no means Trump's fault that this is where we are with NK.

The fact of the matter is the only alternatives to trying to threaten NK into not continuing the missile program are a) actually do something about it (carry out some sort of strike against them/impose some new sanctions/embargo/etc) or b) do nothing. In the case of b) you might say that Trump could still express displeasure with the actions of the North Koreans, just in a less threatening way. But I see no reason why that is even useful.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Trump: If you make one more threat to the United States, you will be met with "fire and fury the likes the world has never seen."

Kim Jong-un: Just for that, we are working on a plan to deploy four missiles that would envelope Guam in a wall of fire.

Trump: You better not!

What happened to the "fire and fury" he promised if they made any more threats to the United States? Oh, that's right, it was just empty posturing from an empty suit. North Korea responded today saying his statement is a "load of nonsense" before accusing him of being senile and spending too much time on golf. That is not a joke, Kim Jong-un literally said Trump is senile, that his threats are nonsense, and that he plays too much golf. What an embarrassment.

The only embarrassment is you.

I do enjoy how people think this was a calculated move on Trump's part that happened to go wrong, rather than a blustering outburst from an unstable man-baby.

Trump does not think before he speaks, and his administration was left playing damage control (as usual) after he went and opened his mouth, why others insist on doing the same on KMC is beyond me. 🙁

Beni needs to come here and join up with Adam. They'd solve all the countries problems in one afternoon.

Is this your new favourite flip now Surturd? "I'd like to see you do better!" 😂

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
That's not always true. Sometimes threats work, since there is no way of knowing 100% whether the threat is legit or not without defying the order.

Yes, you can lose face by constantly issuing empty threats. This is why it's not a useful way to raise kids; because those threats are easy enough to follow up on.

But when you're dealing with geopolitics you do sometimes get into a situation where you don't have much of a hand to play other than just posturing and trying to pressure the opposition into capitulating. It's a bad place to be in, but it's by no means Trump's fault that this is where we are with NK.

The fact of the matter is the only alternatives to trying to threaten NK into not continuing the missile program are a) actually do something about it (carry out some sort of strike against them/impose some new sanctions/embargo/etc) or b) do nothing. In the case of b) you might say that Trump could still express displeasure with the actions of the North Koreans, just in a less threatening way. But I see no reason why that is even useful.

Any intelligent person knew 100% that this threat was not going to work, and then they immediately defied him, and proved it.

Having nuclear capabilities is one of the qualifiers of being considered a world superpower. North Korea desperately wants a metaphorical seat at the grown-ups table, and all of this saber-rattling is a tantrum designed to get them there. When you respond to their threats as if they are legitimate, you legitimize them as a threat to a world superpower. "See? The U.S. is afraid of us. Everybody should take us seriously." You are rewarding them for their bad behavior, which just encourages more of it. The best way to respond is to treat them just as you would any other child who is throwing a tantrum. "When you act like a grown up, you can sit at the grown-ups table, but not a moment before. Now stop being a little baby, and have a seat at the kids table where you belong."

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Is this your new favourite flip now Surturd? "I'd like to see you do better!" 😂

Nah, I'd just enjoy seeing two pseudo-intellectuals fail utterly.

Alright, but PoE is going to be the running mate. 😘

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Any intelligent person knew 100% that this threat was not going to work, and then they immediately defied him, and proved it.

Having nuclear capabilities is one of the qualifiers of being considered a world superpower. North Korea desperately wants a metaphorical seat at the grown-ups table, and all of this saber-rattling is a tantrum designed to get them there. When you respond to their threats as if they are legitimate, you legitimize them as a threat to a world superpower. "See? The U.S. is afraid of us. Everybody should take us seriously." You are rewarding them for their bad behavior, which just encourages more of it. The best way to respond is to treat them just as you would any other child who is throwing a tantrum. "When you act like a grown up, you can sit at the grown-ups table, but not a moment before. Now stop being a little baby, and have a seat at the kids table where you belong."

Awesome, crisis averted 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Alright, but PoE is going to be the running mate. 😘

Why I gotta be the running mate?

Because it will take a British touch to Make America Great Again. hmph

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why I gotta be the running mate?

You can't smile like Beni can smile. You can't frown like Beni can frown. Sorry bro, you're 2nd place. Feed him your nonsense and he can spew it to the masses.