Surtur, I have an idea. Let's form a far right group called Anticomm, so we'll be the Anti-Communist protesters. And then let's beat the shit out of people and smash shit and light shit on fire and attack cops and commit violence for political ends. Then if anyone criticizes us we can just go "Well we're anti-communists! How could you be opposed to Anti-Communists?" and we can use our self-identified name basically as a shield from criticism.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Surtur, I have an idea. Let's form a far right group called Anticomm, so we'll be the Anti-Communist protesters. And then let's beat the shit out of people and smash shit and light shit on fire and attack cops and commit violence for political ends. Then if anyone criticizes us we can just go "Well we're anti-communists! How could you be opposed to Anti-Communists?" and we can use our self-identified name basically as a shield from criticism.
The problem with your plan is that Communism doesn't carry the same stigma in the West as Fascism does, which is perplexing considering (as bad as Fascism is) Communism has a higher kill count overall.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Surtur, I have an idea. Let's form a far right group called Anticomm, so we'll be the Anti-Communist protesters. And then let's beat the shit out of people and smash shit and light shit on fire and attack cops and commit violence for political ends. Then if anyone criticizes us we can just go "Well we're anti-communists! How could you be opposed to Anti-Communists?" and we can use our self-identified name basically as a shield from criticism.
lol
Originally posted by RHaggis
The problem with your plan is that Communism doesn't carry the same stigma in the West as Fascism does, which is perplexing considering (as bad as Fascism is) Communism has a higher kill count overall.
lol, what? No, you have it, by far, backwards. Are you familiar with US History including the McCarthy Red Scare? http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/red-scare
People were publicly crucified (figuratively) in tribunals, courts, and in the media. Innocent people were destroyed. People died.
Originally posted by dadudemon
lol, what? No, you have it, by far, backwards. Are you familiar with US History including the McCarthy Red Scare? http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/red-scarePeople were publicly crucified (figuratively) in tribunals, courts, and in the media. Innocent people were destroyed. People died.
The alt-right, antifa, neonazis, communists, fascists, etc are protected classes insofar as they are citizens in a western democracy. You don’t have a right to violently assault them for their beliefs regardless of how abhorrent those beliefs are. You have a right to self-defense against any of those ****s that attacks you but you don’t get to preemptively beat the shit out of someone for their beliefs. Words and ideas no matter how reprehensible do not invite violence.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
they are regarded as the same threat as antifa. yet you want to protect one and jail the other.tbh i think that you're a joke at this point, and i'm done wasting my time addressing your dogshit.
You have this imagined fantasy where I hold Antifa and the Alt-right to different standards, probably because I am your political adversary and you want to believe the worst you can about me so you can handwave what I say, but I don’t hold them to different standards. My point about Antifa being regarded as domestic terrorists and their history of political violence is that they are a reprehensible movement and that doing apologetics for them is pathetic.
They are reprehensible, the alt-right is reprehensible, anyone who commits violence or property damage should face legal consequences, if someone hasnt broken the law they don’t deserve legal punishment, and you do not have the right to commit violence against either a member or the alt-right or Antifa except in self-defense. Show me the double standard.
Originally posted by dadudemon
lollol, what? No, you have it, by far, backwards. Are you familiar with US History including the McCarthy Red Scare? http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/red-scare
People were publicly crucified (figuratively) in tribunals, courts, and in the media. Innocent people were destroyed. People died.
I'm referring to the modern West, which is what Antifa operates in currently. At the time of the Cold War, the culture was different and there was an ideological war between Authoritarian Communism and Liberal Capitalist Democracies. The modern West faces different threats and the political landscape has altered.
Originally posted by RHaggis
I'm referring to the modern West, which is what Antifa operates in currently. At the time of the Cold War, the culture was different and there was an ideological war between Authoritarian Communism and Liberal Capitalist Democracies. The modern West faces different threats and the political landscape has altered.
I do not think you are correct, still, even with this new argument you have presented.
Americans still associate Russia with "Red Scare." Hence the current anti-Trump+Russian Collusion tirades many people are now riding.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well sure in a historic sense there was a time when communism was more reviled in the US, but in the modern day in the trial of public opinion you will get shat on so much more for being a fascist, or a nazi, or an alt-right person, whereas you can get away with being an avowed Marxist much easier.
I see your point. Yes, I do see, among the young, Marxism being much more readily accepted.
My point about the anti-Russian sentiments, however, stems back from the Red Scare and Cold War, days. Russia is still see as the USSR to many Americans. The anti-Russian indoctrination that many of us received as children in school, growing up, and the Cold War scares our parents experienced are informing this anti-Russian sentiment.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Dadudemon, in America you can be an avowed Marxist and get a job at a public university, do you honestly believe an avowed fascist would be hired by a university?
Check my above post. I concede the point about young Marxists. Just give me a chance to catch up to all the replies. lol
Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not think you are correct, still, even with this new argument you have presented.Americans still associate Russia with "Red Scare." Hence the current anti-Trump+Russian Collusion tirades many people are now riding.
Are you sure? A lot of the Anti-Trump - Russian Collusion stories I've been seeing is from Left-leaning news outlets and journalists who want to smear Trump for associating with an apparently far-right leader in the form of Vladamir Putin.
Maybe I've been looking at it wrong. I'm merely a British observer looking in. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
But I can at least tell you this, the anti-Communist sentiment found prior to the Second World War and throughout the Cold War is no where near as strong as it used to be here in Western Europe from what I've observed.
Well sure but I think that’s more directed at Russia as a historic enemy than the ideology itself.
If you pay attention to the news and public reactions, there’s a lot more vitriol towards anyone falsely presumed to be a fascist/alt-right/neonazi, such as all the protesters at colleges calling Ben Shapiro a Nazi, or the news sources that baselessly accuse Jordan Peterson of being part of the Alt-right, whereas actual marxists who teach at universities slip under the radar.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
because in the US there's hundreds of thousands of marxists, menacing and threatening to overthrow the government, and murder everyone they don't like. TOTALLY THE SAME in cuckistan.