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Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're putting Danny last despite never seeing him look winded in a fight? Doesn't seem logical to me.

You're putting Luke last despite him having legitimate feats of superhuman stamina/endurance? Well, that doesn't seem logical to me.

Danny was worn out and battered after getting back from his tournament against Gao's fighters. He was still sitting on Colleen's floor, telling her how tired and hurt he felt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Here's a question. If you made the 4 of them run at top speed continuously, who do you think will drop first?

At this point, Danny. Daredevil has chased cars across the city before, while injured, without tiring out. Jessica can run a sub 4-minute mile, and ran several blocks across the city in one of her episode, and once even caught up to a car, without tiring out. Luke made a swim that was said to be impossible for a normal man, and managed to remain active for hours after taking multiple serious injuries. What high-end stamina/endurance feats does Danny have that compare? Fights with guys who were, quite frankly, not on his level is not proof. The closest any fighter on IF came to him was Davos, who still got his ass whooped by Danny without the use of chi.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You're putting Luke last despite him having legitimate feats of superhuman stamina/endurance? Well, that doesn't seem logical to me.

Danny was worn out and battered after getting back from his tournament against Gao's fighters. He was still sitting on Colleen's floor, telling her how tired and hurt he felt.

At this point, Danny. Daredevil has chased cars across the city before, while injured, without tiring out. Jessica can run a sub 4-minute mile, and ran several blocks across the city in one of her episode, and once even caught up to a car, without tiring out. Luke made a swim that was said to be impossible for a normal man, and managed to remain active for hours after taking multiple serious injuries. What high-end stamina/endurance feats does Danny have that compare? Fights with guys who were, quite frankly, not on his level is not proof. The closest any fighter on IF came to him was Davos, who still got his ass whooped by Danny without the use of chi.

Because Danny went against multiple high end opponents of similar physical stats to him and was not completely winded. Tired yes but not huffing and puffing like Luke Cage was the one time he went up against an opponent of similar stats to him.

Is the swim feat your only basis for Luke? Because his strength would have played a huge role in that, not simply endurance.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Danny went against multiple high end opponents of similar physical stats to him and was not completely winded. Tired yes but not huffing and puffing like Luke Cage was the one time he went up against an opponent of similar stats to him.

What was so great about those guys? Other than supposedly being the best fighters from a single faction of the Hand, they have no notable feats to speak of. The guy who Danny fought on the truck impressed me more than any of them did. Speaking of high end Hand fighters, I could actually see Nobu clearing that same gauntlet with potentially greater ease than Danny did, assuming he gets his standard gear.

It's not as simple as similar stats. Danny's opponents didn't become stronger the more he hit them. Luke had to let himself get hit A LOT, because of how Diamondback's suit worked. Both times Diamondback hit regular humans he oneshot killed them, despite the fact that one of them was wearing body armour under their clothes.

Oh, and also to note, Luke and Diamondback's fight went on for longer than all 3 of Danny's fights combined.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Is the swim feat your only basis for Luke? Because his strength would have played a huge role in that, not simply endurance.

No. It's not. I have already pointed out how he remained active after having bullets made from alien materials explode inside his body, even doing things like smashing over a gallery support pillar and tossing Diamondback probably 30 to 40 feet into another pillar, after he'd taken the first bullet to the gut. If we ignore that, then we might as well throw out the Daredevil hallway fight, because Matt was nearly out of gas halfway through that fight already. That's the whole reason he started getting tagged towards the latter part. He was tiring out.

And Luke did the swimming feat after punching his way through what looked to be about a foot of reinforced concrete prison wall. And this was done right after getting his powers (he'd been nearly dead right before the procedure).