Thirdhand Smoke

Originally posted by Robtard
I've seen several episodes of that show.

That doesn't change the fact that non-smokers should have to deal with smokers smoking when we're trying to get a bite to eat, have a drink etc. Like I said, smoke as much as you want, just keep it away from non-smokers 👆

Though it should be noted that health issues from smoking also cost tax dollars. But we can ignore that for now.

Anyway, here's a small clip of the episode since you're already a fan of them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcibsUqN2A

Well, when the smell of ketchup can give you cancer, you'll have a point.

Until then, smoke five packs a day, just keep it away from us sensible types.

Has it been conclusively proven that secondhand smoke causes cancer? Because at least at the time of Penn and Teller's show it hadn't(they discuss it in that clip).

Yes, it's believed that cigarette smoking can lead to lung cancer and studies have shown that smoking greatly increases that chance, among other ill health affects.

Your "secondhand smoke" caveat doesn't negate the above, cigarette smoke isn't magically cleansed of its toxins by someone's lungs. You don't inhale cancer and exhale unicorn farts.

Do you smoke around infants? children? teens? What is your line, if anything?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, it's believed that cigarette smoking can lead to lung cancer and studies have shown that smoking greatly increases that chance, among other ill health affects.

Your "secondhand smoke" caveat doesn't negate the above, cigarette smoke isn't magically cleansed of its toxins by someone's lungs. You don't inhale cancer and exhale unicorn farts.

Do you smoke around infants? children? teens? What is your line, if anything?

It DOES mean that claims of second hand smoke causing cancer are unfounded by science. Which means the only real reason to ban it is to cater to people who dislike the smell... and if that's the case then there needs to be a law requiring people to keep ketchup the f*ck away from me.

I personally try not to smoke around children too small to walk away. But I won't stop just because someone brings an infant in my house knowing that I smoke.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Unless the majority of toxins are actually absorbed by being inhaled into the lungs... which could explain why people who smoke get lung cancer.

I personally try not to smoke around children too small to walk away. But I won't stop just because someone brings an infant in my house knowing that I smoke.

As noted, your lungs don't magically absorb all the toxins, SHS is still potentially lethal. If you don't believe me, how about the CDC:

"Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke." -snip

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

So yah, you're literally putting other people at risk with your belligerent addiction. Smoke all you want, just be sensible and compassionate enough to not endanger others. Think of it like drinking alcohol. Drink all you like, just don't drive a car afterwards.

Originally posted by Robtard
As noted, your lungs don't magically absorb all the toxins, SHS is still potentially lethal. If you don't believe me, how about the CDC:

"Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke." -snip

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

So yah, you're literally putting other people at risk with your belligerent addiction. Smoke all you want, just be sensible and compassionate enough to not endanger others. Think of it like drinking alcohol. Drink all you like, just don't drive a car afterwards.

The way they calculate deaths from secondhand smoke is a fallacy. What they do is to classify any death involving someone who was frequently exposed to with a nonspecifc cause(IE any kind of cancer, heart disease, etc) and say that the secondhand smoke contributed to the death.

In regards to the Surgeon General, what all has the office said about the health effects of marijuanna since 1964?

FFS, never mind. First it was "secondhand smokes isn't really harmful", then I show you it is and you go whataboutary in defense of a habit you know deep down inside is harmful to yourself and others.

Personally, I'm glad anti-smoking laws are gaining more and more traction.

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS, never mind. First it was "secondhand smokes isn't really harmful", then I show you it is and you go whataboutary in defense of a habit you know deep down inside is harmful to yourself and others.

Personally, I'm glad anti-smoking laws are gaining more and more traction.

And I never said it wasn't harmful, I asked if it had yet been proven to be harmful because people were acting as if the adverse effects were definite. Someone being unable to prove you wrong is no reason to pass laws that make their lives more difficult just because some people don't like what they're doing. Thinking like that is why there's such controversy surrounding gay marriage.

Seriously, you need to watch that episode of Bullshit. They go into quite a bit of detail in regards to the lack of evidence of secondhand smoke's ill effects.

Now the CDC know nothing. I laughed.

More obvious lies:
-Secondhand smoke causes nearly 34,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4
-Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25–30%.1
-Secondhand smoke increases the risk for stroke by 20−30%.4
-Secondhand smoke exposure causes more than 8,000 deaths from stroke annually.4

Originally posted by Robtard
Now the CDC know nothing. I laughed.

*Just caught the edit*
Where does one go to find out what evidence they reviewed and what their methods of interpretation were? Are they easy to find or hidden away?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me.

They're are a little too strict.

I'm an occasional smoker, I worry more about the anti-drinking laws though 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They're are a little too strict.

I'm an occasional smoker, I worry more about the anti-drinking laws though 😛

Those stats are a little skewed but good read.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What do they say about emissions by cars? Just because chemicals are toxic doesn't mean that you'll get cancer by exposure to trace amounts of them. Should cars be outlawed from being around people?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Air pollution causes millions of premature deaths a year, yes, it's illegal to have certain levels of car-related pollution in populated areas, and in major cities like Paris & London, certain polluting vehicles are being restricted, banned and outright outlawed from use. 👆

Yeah, hopefully in the near future we'll all be driving electric cars, and smoking will be outlawed. 🙂

Its for asinine reasons you would think The Looney Left would be in support of VAPOR/Electronic Cigs becaue those can cut down on a lot the more "Harmful Chemicals & Crap" in normal cig, but nope. They show their true irrational hypocrite views even in this area.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, hopefully in the near future we'll all be driving electric cars, and smoking will be outlawed. 🙂

Anyone driving in any area with children around obviously have no regards whatsoever for the lives of children.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cars should all be outlawed in towns/cities right now and people should just walk or use bikes until electric cars are available to everybody. They put WAY more toxins in the air then cigarettes do. Hell, schools are frequently surrounded by cars with their engines running waiting on kids...

The Left is doing its best to get as many of those children aborted so they are working on that problem.

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