She Hulk vs. Deathstroke

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surely she'd have to rip the sheath in half to do so?

Edit: Vision was also powered down, and half destroyed when she ripped him:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/15047/2372422-07___avengers_500.cbr___page_29.jpg

Maybe. Doubtful...kinda thought of his suit as vibranium-ish.

That has nothing to do with his durability tho...where does it say powered down?

Originally posted by Philosophía
That requires kinetic energy, which the shield absorbs.

No thats potential energy

He was just lying on the ground, a husk, when Jen picked him up. She even screams at him to wake up:

IOW, he wasn't exactly resisting. So you can't use Vision as some kind of benchmark; of course, you might not have been doing so.

It'll be equally valid had you said, she'd rip him apart like she did [insert random no name Mook].

As for the reply to Phildo....wut?

Could go either way

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No thats potential energy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was just lying on the ground, a husk, when Jen picked him up. She even screams at him to wake up:

IOW, he wasn't exactly resisting. So you can't use Vision as some kind of benchmark; of course, you might not have been doing so.

It'll be equally valid had you said, she'd rip him apart like she did [insert random no name Mook].

As for the reply to Phildo....wut?

Interesting...so im curious. Is his durability somehow lowered if hes not resisting? Is he suddenly tissue paper?

Originally posted by carver9
Could go either way

Seriously?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're being sarcastic, and it's not a case of you not knowing elementary school physics.

School me sifu

Originally posted by Sin I AM
School me sifu

Potential energy is a completely different thing.

You can even look at their formulas, and deduce this.

Kinetic energy is the mass [of me] * speed squared [of my movement] * 1/2.

It's related to movement.

That energy is transferred when I make contact.

Potential energy is a whole different topic. It's formula is mass * g [Earth's gravity] * distance.

You have potential energy when you're standing still at a height above the Earth, for example. Once you move, you generate kinetic energy.

The energy you generate when you move to make an action on an object has nothing to do with potential, and everything to do with kinetic.

Thus the name - potential.

Yeah in his base durability level it's not unbreakable. He actually has to manipulate his density to be more dense. It's not automatic

So ripping apart a deactivated vision isn't really crazy

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Interesting...so im curious. Is his durability somehow lowered if hes not resisting? Is he suddenly tissue paper?

Seriously?

School me sifu

It's shown his durability, his density etc, is controlled by his mind. It's a conscious decision, either he becomes as hard as diamond or not.

He decides what levels he's at.

So yeah, you have no way of knowing what his levels were at when he's not conscious.

So using him as a benchmark is faulty, because you can't use his high showings as proof that Jen managing to rip him apart is a good feat for her.

So basically we can conclude that She Hulk loses. She wouldn't go and automatically try to tear him apart, not that it would work anyway. Slade motherf*ckin wins.

He is the man. And if you don't know, you better ask somebody.

Ask somebody?
Not in THIS site. 😂

Originally posted by Philosophía
In order to punch/grab/push/move you, my body transmits kinetic energy towards you. If you'd have a shield around you, which absorbs kinetic energy, you wouldn't move at all, since the energy transfer never takes place.

Potential energy is a completely different thing.

You can even look at their formulas, and deduce this.

Kinetic energy is the mass [of me] * speed squared [of my movement] * 1/2.

It's related to movement.

That energy is transferred when I make contact.

Potential energy is a whole different topic. It's formula is mass * g [Earth's gravity] * distance.

You have potential energy when you're standing still at a height above the Earth, for example. Once you move, you generate kinetic energy.

The energy you generate when you move to make an action on an object has nothing to do with potential, and everything to do with kinetic.

Thus the name - potential.

Dont ever change

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's shown his durability, his density etc, is controlled by his mind. It's a conscious decision, either he becomes as hard as diamond or not.

He decides what levels he's at.

So yeah, you have no way of knowing what his levels were at when he's not conscious.

So using him as a benchmark is faulty, because you can't use his high showings as proof that Jen managing to rip him apart is a good feat for her.

So when hes not consciously controlling his density hes like almost ethereral?

Never said that.

I said there's no way you can use it as a benchmark, as you can't tell what level he's at.

Do you know what he's made from? Genuine question. All I could find was that he was made from the remains of the original Human Torch, who himself was just made from things like ceramic and steel etc.

But no, never said he was ethereal. I said he was depowered (and proved that) and said he was half destroyed (as you can see from his messed up husk face).

Why is it a feat for Jen? You brought it up in the first place, so it must be noteworthy. Is Vision particularly tough? Is his durability high or something IN THAT scan?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said that.

I said there's no way you can use it as a benchmark, as you can't tell what level he's at.

Do you know what he's made from? Genuine question. All I could find was that he was made from the remains of the original Human Torch, who himself was just made from things like ceramic and steel etc.

But no, never said he was ethereal. I said he was depowered (and proved that) and said he was half destroyed (as you can see from his messed up husk face).

Why is it a feat for Jen? You brought it up in the first place, so it must be noteworthy. Is Vision particularly tough? Is his durability high or something IN THAT scan?

Made from? No, id have to research it. Hes been damaged and rebuilt too many times by many different folks.

Its not a noteworthy feat. Its a tactic i could see her using. Is he tough? Thats what im asking you? You say hes a husk or weakened but to what degree is he when hes not conscious...

Well Superman was kinetically moving towards Slade, and was able to punch and make contact with him despite the shield that was interpreted falsely. Philo brought a great deal of clarity to a subject, not this subject but whatever. If that were the case, Superman wouldn't have been able to move either. Thus Jen would be able to move. Let's be serious here.

I can see how Slade can win, but I can also see the ways in which Jen could win. Trying to paint a seasoned Avenger that has been in wars, and trained by shield as some kind of flat footed rookie, is underestimating her combat ability as well as the amount of speed that she can generate in her leaps. She outclasses him in speed and strength. He has gear that would be useless in a mass of debris, because with the added speed, Jen would use her environment as weapons. This is the way that she has fought for decades. DS would be up to his neck in trees, boulders buildings cars, buses.

Vanguard, you claimed to have read DS muscling out of thousands of tons of debris? Can I see if possible, or an issue number would suffice.

I think SH has a decent shot.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Interesting...so im curious. Is his durability somehow lowered if hes not resisting? Is he suddenly tissue paper?

1) He was definitely severely damaged, as you said.

2) Shulkie was affected by Wanda's magic. If only putting her into rampage mode.

The whole scene can be posted, I'm sure everyone will agree.

You can even post the later part when Jen fights IM and says her magic messed her up. Do it. Vision was still a piece of shit and if one stat of her was allright, it was strength.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well Superman was kinetically moving towards Slade, and was able to punch and make contact with him despite the shield that was interpreted falsely. Philo brought a great deal of clarity to a subject, not this subject but whatever. If that were the case, Superman wouldn't have been able to move either. Thus Jen would be able to move. Let's be serious here.

I can see how Slade can win, but I can also see the ways in which Jen could win. Trying to paint a seasoned Avenger that has been in wars, and trained by shield as some kind of flat footed rookie, is underestimating her combat ability as well as the amount of speed that she can generate in her leaps. She outclasses him in speed and strength. He has gear that would be useless in a mass of debris, because with the added speed, Jen would use her environment as weapons. This is the way that she has fought for decades. DS would be up to his neck in trees, boulders buildings cars, buses.

Vanguard, you claimed to have read DS muscling out of thousands of tons of debris? Can I see if possible, or an issue number would suffice.

I think SH has a decent shot.

Finally What does Jen leaping ability have to do with speed?😕 Slade is faster and a better fighter period, her leaping ability is a non starter. As for being trained by Shield or being an Avenger it means less than diddly, it doesn't make you an A list MA.

Originally posted by Stoic

Vanguard, you claimed to have read DS muscling out of thousands of tons of debris? Can I see if possible, or an issue number would suffice.

I think SH has a decent shot.

She-Hulk wins. The Ikon suit is weak against the color green. Just like the Green Lanterns uaed to be weak against yellow.

Originally posted by Zack M
She-Hulk wins. The Ikon suit is weak against the color green. Just like the Green Lanterns uaed to be weak against yellow.

Originally posted by Zack M
The Ikon suit is weak against the color green

Regardless of it being truth or not. This is why people don't bother to reply to you.