Originally posted by Sin I AM
Made from? No, id have to research it. Hes been damaged and rebuilt too many times by many different folks.Its not a noteworthy feat. Its a tactic i could see her using. Is he tough? Thats what im asking you? You say hes a husk or weakened but to what degree is he when hes not conscious...
Cool, so like I said, you might not have been using Vision as a benchmark.
That's fine.
So you think Jen, without her rage being amped, goes around ripping sentient flesh and blood beings in half, giving them the Ares treatment?
Originally posted by riv6672
This has been a long meandering conversation, but i gotta ask.
Do you think being ripped apart is the only way Slade takes a loss now?
Nope. I just don't think She-Hulk goes around ripping people apart as some kind of go-to tactic - I don't subscribe to the 'bloodlust' characters.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Wondering about the head shots on the ikon suit...
This is prob a better scan. DS took his helmet off:
Originally posted by Stoic
Well Superman was kinetically moving towards Slade, and was able to punch and make contact with him despite the shield that was interpreted falsely. Philo brought a great deal of clarity to a subject, not this subject but whatever. If that were the case, Superman wouldn't have been able to move either. Thus Jen would be able to move. Let's be serious here.I can see how Slade can win, but I can also see the ways in which Jen could win. Trying to paint a seasoned Avenger that has been in wars, and trained by shield as some kind of flat footed rookie, is underestimating her combat ability as well as the amount of speed that she can generate in her leaps. She outclasses him in speed and strength. He has gear that would be useless in a mass of debris, because with the added speed, Jen would use her environment as weapons. This is the way that she has fought for decades. DS would be up to his neck in trees, boulders buildings cars, buses.
Vanguard, you claimed to have read DS muscling out of thousands of tons of debris? Can I see if possible, or an issue number would suffice.
I think SH has a decent shot.
That scan that Vanguard posted was AFTER Slade had been next to a bomb, pretty much at point blank range. Though he had the Nth metal suit at the time.
How does she outclass him in speed? And she's a Hulk - sure, I'm not saying she's just 'JEN SMASH' like her cousin, but you're painting her to be some kind of tactical genius - when she's going up against DS. The guy who is so tactically aware of his surroundings, he practically has precog.
http://pm1.narvii.com/6327/6cb8e9f0f46cee1260069448df467a14a7a30616_hq.jpg
He has caught speedsters befre:
http://i.imgur.com/FWkGRM2.jpg
There's of course his 'someone threw a submarine at me' feat:
http://i.imgur.com/gxGKGQx.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope. I just don't think She-Hulk goes around ripping people apart as some kind of go-to tactic - I don't subscribe to the 'bloodlust' characters.
Lol, I can see why.
I think the point Sin's trying to make was fine, striking him won't achieve much, so Jen will just pick Slade up and try and rip him apart.
Like she's done so with so many opponents.
Stoic is talking about her rolling him up in the ground, or burying him- again,the usual go to tactic for Jen.
As opposed to just...punching. Like she normally does.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, I can see why.I think the point Sin's trying to make was fine, striking him won't achieve much, so Jen will just pick Slade up and try and rip him apart.
Like she's done so with so many opponents.
Stoic is talking about her rolling him up in the ground, or burying him- again,the usual go to tactic for Jen.
As opposed to just...punching. Like she normally does.
Just tossing out possible scenarios as opposed to the normal back and forth.
And no i dont think she"ll give him the ares treatment. I do think she could use her environment or think outside the box.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Just tossing out possible scenarios as opposed to the normal back and forth.And no i dont think she"ll give him the ares treatment. I do think she could use her environment or think outside the box.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, I can see why.I think the point Sin's trying to make was fine, striking him won't achieve much, so Jen will just pick Slade up and try and rip him apart.
Like she's done so with so many opponents.
Stoic is talking about her rolling him up in the ground, or burying him- again,the usual go to tactic for Jen.
As opposed to just...punching. Like she normally does.
If punching didn't work, she'd resort to other methods. I also never said anything about her physically attacking as much as being able to be fast enough to use her environment against DS. I also never said anything about her being more tactically sound than he is. Just that she has enough power to put her tactics into action. Slade also isn't grabbing Jen out of the sky as if he were on her level of strength. He isn't/ Her travelling speed while jumping exceeds his by a lot, so making spce for herself to operate, wouldn't be outside of the question. She Hulk has used the environment in her fights many times. Most of the time she punches.
Are we to assume that SH is going into this without any knowledge of what this suit is capable of? If she has general knowledge of the suits capabilities, she isn't dumb enough to try punching him.
SH is faster when it comes to traveling speeds. DS has the moves and veteran combat ability on his side, as well as his suit and weapons. He is not a flyer. SH has terrain advantage due to her ability to leap great distances beyond his ability to match.
Her lifting strength is far greater than his.
I'm saying that she has a decent chance of trapping and pinning him for the win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She could get wins that way, tbf. I'm in agreement.I just don't think she would get the majority here. Same as with Logan, except Logan could get BFRd with a punch, whereas Slade would still be in range, with his sword.
What? But She Hulk can use an oak tree like a baseball bat. Who has the long reach now buddy?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm pretty sure it's a featureless environment.....not sure where oak trees come in.Standard knowledge is what the general populace of DC Earth knows.....if you think they all know about the Ikon suit, fair enough.
So in other words DS has all of these weapons and you'd imagine that SH in this case has none? In that case the IKon suit on DS wins in an empty environment, but not so much if there were actual weapons that SH could use. DS talks about his tech so it wouldn't be long before she caught on.
One thing that bugs me about forum matches comes down to the attempts at limiting characters that are being argued against. Something which you decided to do.
In a real comic book battle there would be an environment, Just like in a real everyday fight there would be an environment. To win this, SH would have to be robbed of one of her greatest weapons, which is using her environment as a weapon.
Wait what?
It's a standard forum rule. You're the one adding oak trees...why not assume it's in a desert? The Arctic? Middle of the ocean ? Why an oak not an Ash tree? What about a pine tree? How about a space station in geosynchronous orbit around Jupiter? France in 1457?
This is not a comic fight. It's a forum fight. I'm not attempting to limit anything. You're the one adding stuff, lol, to aid She Hulk.
