Smaug vs. Night King

Originally posted by quanchi112
Every scene he's been in he's been very slow. He had good accuracy against someone unaware.

He missed. He moved. NK blew it.

NK is slower, one has chance, has demonstrated inferior intelligence, and can't fly. NK doesn't get his horde he needs to face the music. Smaug is coming for him. He can't run forever.

NK never had the need to rush!

A normal WW can be fast if need so.

NK is a better WW.

Once Smaug comes for him, Smaug would be serving the Army of the Dead just like Viseryon did!

If Smaug is so intelligent why won't he run from NK like Drogon did.

Smaug would DEFINETLY lose here.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
NK never had the need to rush!

A normal WW can be fast if need so.

NK is a better WW.

Once Smaug comes for him, Smaug would be serving the Army of the Dead just like Viseryon did!

If Smaug is so intelligent why won't he run from NK like Drogon did.

Smaug would DEFINETLY lose here.

I agree but he hasn't shown speed. They are all pretty slow.

Nah, Smaug is superior to the GoT dragons ad you even admit.

Smaug feasts on him. Drogon fled because the entire horde was there. It wasn't just Night King.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Every scene he's been in he's been very slow. He had good accuracy against someone unaware.

He missed. He moved. NK blew it.

NK is slower, one has chance, has demonstrated inferior intelligence, and can't fly. NK doesn't get his horde he needs to face the music. Smaug is coming for him. He can't run forever.

A still flying Dragon!!

And not a dragon which was moving towards him getting close with every flap of his wings!

SMAUG DIES! HE HAS NO CHANCE HERE.

Dodging a spear at close range isn't an option for Smaug. He would get slaughtered sooner or later.

Originally posted by playa1258
Smaug is much smarter Viserion. He dodges the spear than cooks the Night King.

Smaug is also much bigger and idiotic!

Smaug's pride would make him lose here.

NK would just wait patiently for Smaug to get close and then SMAUG WOULD FALL!

Smaug is just an over rated dragon.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A still flying Dragon!!

And not a dragon which was moving towards him getting close with every flap of his wings!

SMAUG DIES! HE HAS NO CHANCE HERE.

Dodging a spear at close range isn't an option for Smaug. He would get slaughtered sooner or later.

Smaug decimates the weak NK. In GoT he is something but in Lotr he'd get crushed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The dragon wasn't trying to dodge the attack. Well NK has never hit an aware dragon so the efidndce supports me.

Smaug decimates the weak NK. In GoT he is something but in Lotr he'd get crushed.

No evidence is against you.

1. Smaug is much larger than Valeryon which makes him an easier target.

2. Smaug has to get really close to NK to attack him which adds to how easy of a target he woupd made.

3. Night King has a really good aim. He hit a dragon that was moving at a fast speed. Valyrion was quite away and moving!

https://youtu.be/hHgtyruSMCE

4. Smaug's pride would prevent him from thinking properly. Specially after seeing how fearless and provocative the Night King would be before his presence.

Evidence is against you. The chances that Night Kong would miss are almost none. Maybe 10%.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No evidence is against you.

1. Smaug is much larger than Valeryon which makes him an easier target.

2. Smaug has to get really close to NK to attack him which adds to how easy of a target he woupd made.

3. Night King has a really good aim. He hit a dragon that was moving at a fast speed. Valyrion was quite away and moving!

https://youtu.be/hHgtyruSMCE

4. Smaug's pride would prevent him from thinking properly. Specially after seeing how fearless and provocative the Night King would be before his presence.

Evidence is against you. The chances that Night Kong would miss are almost none. Maybe 10%.

2. He actually can breathe fire on him. He doesn't have to get close. If he does though there's nothing the NK can do once his spear is gone.

3. Dragon wasn't aware so while his aim is good he missed the time Drogon was aware.

4. False, NK's slow movement would prevent him from reacting in time.

Evidence supports me because the NK despite his exaggerations has never killed a dragon aware of him. Let's hope he can do something next season without relying on his dragon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Smaug is watching and aware so he flies past if.

2. He actually can breathe fire on him. He doesn't have to get close. If he does though there's nothing the NK can do once his spear is gone.

3. Dragon wasn't aware so while his aim is good he missed the time Drogon was aware.

4. False, NK's slow movement would prevent him from reacting in time.

Evidence supports me because the NK despite his exaggerations has never killed a dragon aware of him. Let's hope he can do something next season without relying on his dragon.

You are molding things in your favor although all odds are against smaug here.

1st of all the NK is also aware of smaug.

2. Fire cant kill a White Walker.

3. Drogon was aware and flew away. Smaug will eventually have to fly towards NK. In that moment Smaug dies.

4. NK isnt slow. Just because you never saw him running doesnt mean he is slow. Stop being irrational and trying to limmit a character due to what is seen on screen. The NK isnt slow. He just doesnt need to run. He hast.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are molding things in your favor although all odds are against smaug here.

1st of all the NK is also aware of smaug.

2. Fire cant kill a White Walker.

3. Drogon was aware and flew away. Smaug will eventually have to fly towards NK. In that moment Smaug dies.

4. NK isnt slow. Just because you never saw him running doesnt mean he is slow. Stop being irrational and trying to limmit a character due to what is seen on screen. The NK isnt slow. He just doesnt need to run. He hast.

Well let's hope so.

2. No proof dragon fire can't kill a WW. It's on the same wiki page you showed me. No proof dragon fire can't kill them or that wildfire can't kill them.

3. He dodges one spear and then kills NK.

4. If you can't show him reacting quickly you can't say he's fast. That's called making things up. We debate based off the evidence not what you want to believe.

NK didn't catch Bran. The guy is a slow, lumbering zombie at this point. In Lotr they'd hammer their horde. You'll see its kind of pathetic.

night king does his olympic throw and one shots smaug like he did to viserion

Originally posted by relentless1
night king does his olympic throw and one shots smaug like he did to viserion

Smaug wins easily, the Night King won't know or see his one scale missing. His scales cannot be broken that easily.

Originally posted by Sable
Smaug wins easily, the Night King won't know or see his one scale missing. His scales cannot be broken that easily.

No. Then Ice spear would not onlynshatter Smaug's scales but kill him!

There is no evidence to proof that Smaug skin is any different from Vyserion's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You act like he was not 1/2 in javelin tosses. He also missed the dragon who was aware of him tossing a javelin.

I already told you why he missed Drogon. Why do you keep avoiding my comments?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well let's hope so.

2. No proof dragon fire can't kill a WW. It's on the same wiki page you showed me. No proof dragon fire can't kill them or that wildfire can't kill them.

3. He dodges one spear and then kills NK.

4. If you can't show him reacting quickly you can't say he's fast. That's called making things up. We debate based off the evidence not what you want to believe.

NK didn't catch Bran. The guy is a slow, lumbering zombie at this point. In Lotr they'd hammer their horde. You'll see its kind of pathetic.

White Walkers are immune to Fire. Go do your research and if you find evidence of otherwise bring them here. Until then Fire cant kill them!

2. Stop being irrational. NK wouldnt miss the shot at a large target moving towards him. Avoiding logic and evidence wont proof your points.

3. Evidence goes in hand with logic quanchi. You are trying to shield yourself behind the excuse that the Night King has never been seen sprinting!

If in a movie you see a chicken, would you assume that it cant lay eggs because it never did in the movie?

Again bring me textual or sited evidence that he cant run.

NK doesnt need to run! Thats why he has his weighs and other White Walkers.

Again Quanchi. Bring me evidence. Dont assume things cant happen because they werent seen on screen. That makes your points weak.

Originally posted by relentless1
night king does his olympic throw and one shots smaug like he did to viserion

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Idk why they defend Smaug so irrationally. I know people have their preferences but that doesnt make them invincible.

Smaug has every disadvantage here.

There is no proof he is weak to anything besides a black arrow. Much like the same argument you used when you said the Night King can only be hurt by Valarian Steel.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Then Ice spear would not onlynshatter Smaug's scales but kill him!

There is no evidence to proof that Smaug skin is any different from Vyserion's.

I already told you why he missed Drogon. Why do you keep avoiding my comments?

White Walkers are immune to Fire. Go do your research and if you find evidence of otherwise bring them here. Until then Fire cant kill them!

2. Stop being irrational. NK wouldnt miss the shot at a large target moving towards him. Avoiding logic and evidence wont proof your points.
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3. Evidence goes in hand with logic quanchi. You are trying to shield yourself behind the excuse that the Night King has never been seen sprinting!
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If in a movie you see a chicken, would you assume that it cant lay eggs because it never did in the movie?

Again bring me textual or sited evidence that he cant run.

NK doesnt need to run! Thats why he has his weighs and other White Walkers.

Again Quanchi. Bring me evidence. Dont assume things cant happen because they werent seen on screen. That makes your points weak. [/B]

We don't see him run. You'd need to prove he can. I don't need to disprove your claims.

We don't see any white walkers run. Quit ignoring the lore, the history, stc. Just because you want him to win.

GoT ain't Lotr. It's far weaker.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said you posted a link from the GoT which says there's nor proof it's immune to dragon fire of wild fire. Just because he walks over some random flames doesn't mean he can be thrown into the sun. No limits fallacy.
Smaug can move out of the way. I've seen Jango miss when Kenobi is running at him because you're under duress and he can move.

Yes,that is how debating works. You can't claim he sprints when we have multiple scenes of him walking slowly. He failed to nab Bran. He failed to kill two dragons, etc. he failed to stop their escape. Slow as molasses.

I would assume it doesn't lay eggs in combat since it's never done so. We debate on what we have proof of not what we speculate.

We don't see him run. You'd need to prove he can. I don't need to disprove your claims.

We don't see any white walkers run. Quit ignoring the lore, the history, stc. Just because you want him to win.

GoT ain't Lotr. It's far weaker.

The only one not showing evidence its you.

The Night Watch has oil which still burns as hot.

Fire cant harm them. If you bring me one wiki i can bring you 10.

White walkers are immune to fire. Simply because they are so cold.

There is no evidence to say they are.

In this case my speculatuon is stronger than yours since theyve walked through flames.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said you posted a link from the GoT which says there's nor proof it's immune to dragon fire of wild fire. Just because he walks over some random flames doesn't mean he can be thrown into the sun. No limits fallacy.
Smaug can move out of the way. I've seen Jango miss when Kenobi is running at him because you're under duress and he can move.

Yes,that is how debating works. You can't claim he sprints when we have multiple scenes of him walking slowly. He failed to nab Bran. He failed to kill two dragons, etc. he failed to stop their escape. Slow as molasses.

I would assume it doesn't lay eggs in combat since it's never done so. We debate on what we have proof of not what we speculate.

We don't see him run. You'd need to prove he can. I don't need to disprove your claims.

We don't see any white walkers run. Quit ignoring the lore, the history, stc. Just because you want him to win.

GoT ain't Lotr. It's far weaker.

Again ive shown stronger evidence than yours.

There is no evidence Smaug can kill the NK.

There are strong arguments that NK can kill Smaug.

Smaug loses this match for lack of evidence of him winning this fight.

They are weak to fire, yes there is evidence. You are acting like the Night King can't be killed, you need to stop that.