Legolas (no bow) vs Oberyn and the Mountain

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It is clear you misinterpret the rules. Back to square one true.

No, because I am the original person that asked for the rule clarification regarding books. Because, like you, I was using book citiation for a lot of fictions. Impediment's ruling made it clear that book lore has no place in Movie vs. Because I was there, and I was the one who asked him that question. Ironically, I was arguing with Quan at the time regarding Lord of the Rings.

So please, tell me again how I'm misinterpreting a ruling I was there for? I want to see your all encompasing oracular prophetic foresight. 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, because I am the original person that asked for the rule clarification regarding books. Because, like you, I was using book citiation for a lot of fictions. Impediment's ruling made it clear that book lore has no place in Movie vs. Because I was there, and I was the one who asked him that question. Ironically, I was arguing with Quan at the time regarding Lord of the Rings.

So please, tell me again how I'm misinterpreting a ruling I was there for? I want to see your all encompasing oracular prophetic foresight. 🙄

First of all, nowhere in the show it days manticore venom is a slow killer. So your point stands on limbo.

And your personal question with Impediment isnt of my concern.

The rule is clear, as long as it doesnt contradict what is seen on scree it is valid. Furthermore in this case the book flows in the same way the show does...The show isnt saying that the poison is slow.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
First of all, nowhere in the show it days manticore venom is a slow killer. So your point stands on limbo.

And your personal question with Impediment isnt of my concern.

The rule is clear, as long as it doesnt contradict what is seen on scree it is valid. Furthermore in this case the book flows in the same way the show does...The show isnt saying that the poison is slow.

No, because the evidence is that Gregor didn't die immediately, and nothing was ever mentioned within the show that the venom was thickened. The line you reference from the book pages are not present in the show.

It was a public question, because it was a question that concerned the rules of the forum. Hence why Nibectus provided the citation of what Impediment said in response.

Impediments ruling remains that the film/TV source is not just the highest canon source, but the ONLY source allowed in these forums. In other words, for example, I could not use Transformers Comics as source material no matter how canon those are.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, because the evidence is that Gregor didn't die immediately, and nothing was ever mentioned within the show that the venom was thickened. The line you reference from the book pages are not present in the show.

It was a public question, because it was a question that concerned the rules of the forum. Hence why Nibectus provided the citation of what Impediment said in response.

Impediments ruling remains that the film/TV source is not just the highest canon source, but the ONLY source allowed in these forums. In other words, for example, I could not use Transformers Comics as source material no matter how canon those are.

Nevertheless it is not stater that the venom is a slow killer, and that Gregor didnt die instantly because of the poisons speed of action.

We are in limbo here, you can support that specific point nor can i.

However ive given outside sources saying that the venom was thickened. You have given no outside source that it is a slow poison.

So in that aspect i still have a better claim.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Nevertheless it is not stater that the venom is a slow killer, and that Gregor didnt die instantly because of the poisons speed of action.

We are in limbo here, you can support that specific point nor can i.

However ive given outside sources saying that the venom was thickened. You have given no outside source that it is a slow poison.

So in that aspect i still have a better claim.

What?

It's shown that the venom is a slow killer. Qybern told Cersei he'd be in pain for days and awake for the whole time before he finally died. How is that not a slow killer? We've seen poisons kill immediately, like Joffrey. So yeah. Manticore venom takes a while. It's shown in the show. If you say different and try to use the book, you're A) a f*cking liar. And B)still trying to push your own views of how things should work and make people conform to you.

You have zero claims now. The same amount you've ever had. As everything you say is either invalid, made up by you, or just wrong.

In fact, how about you go to Foreign Cinema and make the exact same thread. But allow book feats for Oberyn and Mountain as well. Then we can give Legolas his book feats. Like his shield.

Originally posted by KingD19
What?

It's shown that the venom is a slow killer. Qybern told Cersei he'd be in pain for days and awake for the whole time before he finally died. How is that not a slow killer? We've seen poisons kill immediately, like Joffrey. So yeah. Manticore venom takes a while. It's shown in the show. If you say different and try to use the book, you're A) a f*cking liar. And B)still trying to push your own views of how things should work and make people conform to you.

You have zero claims now. The same amount you've ever had. As everything you say is either invalid, made up by you, or just wrong.

In fact, how about you go to Foreign Cinema and make the exact same thread. But allow book feats for Oberyn and Mountain as well. Then we can give Legolas his book feats. Like his shield.

Where does he say that. Mind post evidence so i can verify it. Accordingnto my sources Oberyn tampered the poison to delay its effect.

I never say it is an instant killer, but it was delayed by Oberyn.

A) You are an Ass
B) You are an ass
C) You are still an ass

Stop your cursing.

Josh, me and Darth Thor once had a debate regarding the validity of novels/books as a source of information (when no such information is available in the movies). It lasted for days and we decided to ask Imp (the main moderator of these forums) to rule on it. This is the result:

Originally posted by Impediment
I've been asked to step in to make a ruling on the matter at hand.

The primary issue in contention is the use of novelizations/book adaptations.

I refer you all to the MVF Golden Rule: What happens on screen is canon. Movie feats only.

I allow certain feats, for example, from the Star Trek television series because of the direct tie in to the movies.

Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.

Therefore, the ruling is that a written adaptation of this film, as well as cast/crew commentaries made after the film has been completed, screened, and transferred to home media, will not be allowable. Movie feats only, please.

A much, much more suitable area for this kind of debate is, of course, the All Versus Forum where ALL source material is allowed.

Movie feats only. Books do not exist here. We cannot use the books as a source. Not the books. Not the comics (w/c are canon to the movies). Not the commentaries. Only video clips (like the TV shows that are canon to the movie).

If you do not believe me, we can always have a mod come in here and rule on this again. But this is what happened and you are free to look up the debate (and the exact ruling) right here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15415637&highlight=book+feats+userid%3A62388#post15415637

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Josh, me and Darth Thor once had a debate regarding the validity of novels/books as a source of information (when no such information is available in the movies). It lasted for days and we decided to ask Imp (the main moderator of these forums) to rule on it. This is the result:

Movie feats only. Books do not exist here. We cannot use the books as a source. Not the books. Not the comics (w/c are canon to the movies). Not the commentaries. Only video clips (like the TV shows that are canon to the movie).

If you do not believe me, we can always have a mod come in here and rule on this again. But this is what happened and you are free to look up the debate (and the exact ruling) right here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15415637&highlight=book+feats+userid%3A62388#post15415637

Okay i believe you.

The issue here is that the Show doesnt support anyone's side!

The show never said that the venom is slow or fast.

How do things play out in shuch case? The book is required.

Gregor was still alive long after the trial by combat was finished. And he lasted long enough to crush Oberyn after multiple cuts.

Why do you think Legolas goes down so fast?

Originally posted by KingD19
Gregor was still alive long after the trial by combat was finished. And he lasted long enough to crush Oberyn after multiple cuts.

Why do you think Legolas goes down so fast?

Okay, there is a problem with that.

Gregor wasn't left to die! The very moment the fight was over he was taken to the Castle and was treated by Qyburn.

So, Gregor was being treated and healed minutes after the fight.

Also in the combat he was over until he got a lucky chance of grabbing and finally killing Oberyn. If Oberyn wouldn't have got close the Mountain would have died.

Again, there is no reliable evidence to classify Manticore venom as a fast or a slow killer. 😕

Legolas wins. During the fight upwards of 35 flips are performed by Legolas, with only around 9 of those actually being necessary.

Originally posted by Surtur
Legolas wins. During the fight upwards of 35 flips are performed by Legolas, with only around 9 of those actually being necessary.

Oberyn can make flips of his own. Plus he got poison.

Does his poison work on immortal super beings?

Originally posted by Surtur
Does his poison work on immortal super beings?

Why shouldnt it?

And legolas isnt immortal.

How is he not immortal? That doesn't mean he can't be killed. But Elves don't grow old or get sick or any of that. You gotta stab them in the face/heart.

Originally posted by Surtur
How is he not immortal? That doesn't mean he can't be killed. But Elves don't grow old or get sick or any of that. You gotta stab them in the face/heart.

Doesnt mean they are immune to poison.

Yes they are immunte o aging and withering, but not to physical or chimical death.

I suppose that is true, but still if I were fighting him I'd be going for a kill shot and not taking chances.

Originally posted by Surtur
I suppose that is true, but still if I were fighting him I'd be going for a kill shot and not taking chances.

Legolas is good with the bow, not so much with the sword.

Oberyn is excellent with the spear, which gives him an advanatage in distance too.

I think this is a tie. But the win is still nearer The team.

It will take Legolas a time to kill Gregor, meanwhile henwill be getting cuts from Oberyn.

So you're ignoring just how deadly he is with his long knives?

Originally posted by KingD19
So you're ignoring just how deadly he is with his long knives?

Not as deadly as with the bow.