Jiren, because if Potara can only go for like 5 minutes at ssb, and fusion dance can barely handle ssj3 for 5 minutes, then fusion dance would pop as soon as they went ssb.
But forgetting the time limit and power they can't apparently can't wield for plot reasons, Gogeta would wreck Jiren. Cause there isn't much difference in power between Goku and Vegeta so the decrease of Goku down to Vegeta wouldn't matter much.
I agree as well. But they are at a much higher SSB level than they were when they fought Zamasu. This fusion would pack a much larger punch.
We kinda need to see how badly Jiren stomps them.
Also this Limit Breaker name. They just need to make this his last form where he can break his limits no matter the opponents. Kinda hax but it puts a stop to the million different transformations. But it is basically the peak saiyan form for battle.
Why not throw in unlimited power source too lol
Originally posted by carver9
I disagree. Jiren stomps tbh. Zamasu gave him a good fight and Jiren would wreck him. I feel confident Limit Breaker is more powerful than Vegeta and Goku fusion.
Depends if we take the manga or anime. Base Vegetto > Merged Zamasu in the manga. And Goku + Vegeta now >>> Goku and Vegeta in the Black Arc.
Limit Breaker would have to be more than a 1000x increase from SSB for Limit Breaker Goku to rival SSB Gogeta, (since base fusion seems to be ridiculously stronger than SSJB, which is in turn far beyond SSJ3, which is a 400x boost).
SSB Gogeta defeats Jiren. Especially if he can go KK x20.
Originally posted by bbrem123
I agree as well. But they are at a much higher SSB level than they were when they fought Zamasu. This fusion would pack a much larger punch.We kinda need to see how badly Jiren stomps them.
Also this Limit Breaker name. They just need to make this his last form where he can break his limits no matter the opponents. Kinda hax but it puts a stop to the million different transformations. But it is basically the peak saiyan form for battle.
Why not throw in unlimited power source too lol
Agreed.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Depends if we take the manga or anime. Base Vegetto > Merged Zamasu in the manga. And Goku + Vegeta now >>> Goku and Vegeta in the Black Arc.Limit Breaker would have to be more than a 1000x increase from SSB for Limit Breaker Goku to rival SSB Gogeta, (since base fusion seems to be ridiculously stronger than SSJB, which is in turn far beyond SSJ3, which is a 400x boost).
SSB Gogeta defeats Jiren. Especially if he can go KK x20.
You helped my argument. Goku is>> than what he was before and this is what happened when Goku soloed Zamasu.
Also, we are using the fusion that we seen on panel, not the one that we are imagining now. The one that fought Merge Zamasu would get destroyed by Jiren. Also, 1000 times amp for Gogeta? Where are you getting that from? That can't be real.
Originally posted by carver9
You helped my argument. Goku is>> than what he was before and this is what happened when Goku soloed Zamasu.Also, we are using the fusion that we seen on panel, not the one that we are imagining now.
Wrong. The OP specifically notes that this is Goku and Vegeta as of the ToP, not as of the Zamasu Arc. SSB Gogeta wasn't even in the Zamasu arc.
Originally posted by carver9
Also, 1000 times amp for Gogeta? Where are you getting that from? That can't be real.
I was getting it from Base Vegetto being far more powerful than regular SSB Goku/Vegeta in the manga, SSB being far more powerful than SS3, which is a 400 times boost. Therefore the Vegetto boost is above 1000x.
We see the same thing in the Buu Arc, with Base Vegetto (yes I know it's filler) and SSJ1 Vegetto absolutely stomping Buuhan without effort, whereas SSJ3 Goku (which again is a 400 times boost from base Goku) was getting shit on by Buuhan.
Also in the Buu arc, the fusion of Goten and Trunks, which is absolutely pathetic compared to the fusion of Goku and Vegeta, was still about 8 times as strong as Goku, (given that SSJ Gotenks is roughly on par with SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Arc). A fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta would obviously be >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8x Goku. There's no way Limit Breaker is a multi-hundred times boost to SSJB.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Also in the Buu arc, the fusion of Goten and Trunks, which is absolutely pathetic compared to the fusion of Goku and Vegeta, was still about 8 times as strong as Goku, (given that SSJ Gotenks is roughly on par with SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Arc). A fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta would obviously be >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8x Goku. There's no way Limit Breaker is a multi-hundred times boost to SSJB.
I'm glad we found out this post was uncalled for. Jiren stomps, with extreme, extreme, ease.