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Only a desperate Force-push of his own altered his path enough that he slammed into a stanchion instead of plunging half a kilometer from the ledge outside. He bounced off and the Force cleared his head and once again he gave himself to Vaapad.
Mace managed to somewhat counteract, Sidious's force push, meaning he wasn't completely dominated out of vaapad.
quote:
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor,"
- Source : George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204
- This is addressed in that blog post.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/silver2467/blog/mace-windu-vs-darth-sidious-what-really-happened-r/77247/
I'm sorry concrete evidence that he allowed him to? written into canon, and not just speculation, with a Blog giving points.
- Unfortunately it's not that cut and dry. I said I didn't want to debate this because it's a distraction, but if we have to I will...
- That 'Blog giving points' is too well put together for it to be dismissed like that.
Sidious is not a better duelist than Yoda, he is slightly inferior in power, but the fact Remains he was disarmed, by Yoda in combat, and resorted to the force.
Duelling is as much about force abilities as it is skill with the blade. One mustn't forget their stalemate in the last episode of TCW.
Anyway:
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Mace has several quotes putting him on Yoda's level or around it as a duelist.
This is the moment that defines Mace Windu. Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his unmatched skills with the lightsaber.Revenge of the Sith novel
- Having 'unmatched' skills with a lightsaber is hardly something to write home about. Anoon Bondara & Kas'im have similar accolades and I think we can both agree they aren't Sidious tier... This quote doesn't put him on Yoda's level
Master Mace Windu is arguably the most skilled Lightsaber duelist alive. The Lightsaber form he developed, Vaapad, is quick and powerful, and only a handful of other Jedi have demonstrated the skill to use it, let alone master it.
Clone Wars Adventures
Yoda has better quotes :/
Only then can we understand the extraordinary combat moves of Yoda, perhaps the greatest lightsaber master the Jedi Order has ever seen.
--Taken from Insider #62: Fightsaber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat
With a stooped, small appearance, Yoda may not look like a warrior, but his skills with a lightsaber were unequaled.
--Taken from Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force
Though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Mace Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council.
--Taken from Darth Maul Shadow Hunter
Shall I go on?
It's perfectly believable that Mace could disarm Sidious, there is more quotes, check out some RT's.
- Mace is skilled enough sure, but his power isn't Sheev level with no amp. Darth Maul is "One of the most skilled and deadly warriors in Sith history" but he didn't have a hope in hell of defeating Sidious. Skill and power are different, Motherf*cker Dindu does not have the power to beat Sids. Hence the need for Windu to channel Sidious' own power in their ROTS fight.
It's not my feelings lmao, it's logic within the SW universe, it's Plot that Grievous is around, you have inferior Jedi doing shit like moving warships, using TK, tell me, is Grievous as heavy/durable having the abiltiy to exert enough energy to keep, several hundred thousand tons of metal off the ground. No, its retarded.
- This has been explained before... Grievous uses intimidation tactics to prevent Jedi from thinking clearly. It's just about impossible to have a level head when you have 12 lightsaber strikes per second coming at you from all angles. It's never been that Grievous was too heavy to TK away, just that you never got the opportunity. When Fisto and Obi-Wan force push the General, he gets floored instantly (This is his TCW incarnation however)
- I do get what you're saying, but he has been defeated with the force before. I guess it's just 'not the Jedi way' to abuse their power in such a manner :/
I'm referring to Lightsaber combat, not raw strength in their fight, I have Sidious above them in that regard fyi. But lightsaber combat within canon, without using the force is the only way Grevious can compete, and as I say the shit is inconsistent asf.
- Mm, awell. I don't make the rules
Better nah, around the same level, is what I believe, though others have given decent evidence, to why Dooku>Maul.
- Sure, I'm not saying Maul is a tier above Dooku or anything lmao. Maul's showing against Sidious on Sundari is at least comparable to the Count's battle against Yoda in Aotc. 'Others' have also given decent evidence to why Maul > Dooku.
CBF, digging through hundreds of pages.
- Fair enough
Oh, absolutely. A lot of the team who worked on the film moved over to the ROTS game. Gillard choreographed the fight scenes just like he did for the films. I don't see a reason not to use it. What we get for Anakin vs Mace is what would have happened if they fought in the eyes of Lucas, guided by Gillard.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Oh, absolutely. A lot of the team who worked on the film moved over to the ROTS game. Gillard choreographed the fight scenes just like he did for the films. I don't see a reason not to use it. What we get for Anakin vs Mace is what would have happened if they fought in the eyes of Lucas, guided by Gillard.
Tsk Tsk, the word came from the big GL himself, his command supersedes that of puny Gillard.
