Mace and the Invisible Hand

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The scene's intent isn't a weakened Mace vs Anakin, rofl. In fact, the player is unaware they even fought.
doesn't change that they did fight though...

That doesn't make it relevant. Context is key.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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There's not even the slightest implication that Mace was weakened or hindered in any way, as I recall.

That's not necessarily true. Although we don't know how much of a role his previous fight played in this, Mace did lose the fight due to exhaustion.

Mace was losing, for the most part, throughout the entire fight.

Yeah, before the fight even starts Anakin is overwhelming him with the force and seems to drive him back every cutscene.

The thing is, ant, if the fight literally didn't happen, and the game largely doesn't follow what actually happens in the movies, how can it be used as evidence?

Nigga using non-canon fight from a game as evidence.

I'm weak, lmao.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In the Prequel Trilogy Storyboards, so presumably made after the script, Mace telekinetically stops the Invisible Hand when it crashes.

Damn, they should have kept that in.

Originally posted by Kurk
This feat would've made Yoda look pathetic trying to stop a single senate pod

No it wouldn't because the original Yoda vs. Sidious fight had Yoda deflecting bolts of lightning that annihilated the dome of the Senate Grand Convocation chamber.

Anakin > All.

Talk about stretching holistic intent.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That doesn't make it relevant. Context is key.

This might be suicide going against you, as I'm just starting to get into the swing of things. But

Context is key, but if that's the case, Mace looks exhuasted at the end of the battle, and let's be fair, he did just fight Sheev, which in both Yoda's and Mace's case, the battle leaves them incredibly exhausted at the end. If we do use that cutscene as a way to wank, Skywalker, well honestly, it's going to seem more impressive for Mace, to have lasted as long as he did against Sheev, and then Skywalker, in fact it lends credence to the whole "Mace is actually = Sheev" shpiel.

Also, Perhaps I missed it a couple pages ago, but if Cin's fight in the game is overruled/overwritten/retcon or what have you, by a higher form of canon, such as the examples you gave, then, it shouldn't it stand to reason that because there is no mention of the battle occurring whatsoever in the ROTS Novel(a higher form a canon than the game), it is overruled? After all, the battle between Skywalker and Mace is not, to my knowledge, echoed anywhere else in the EU, please correct me if i'm wrong. And, If memory serves me right, and I do believe you may have posted it, isn't there a link/source from the game/development team that directly states that the movie takes precedence over the game itself?

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If this feat were canon, would it negate Kenobi and Anakin from having another happy landing?

Yeah if the game isn't even being accurate with power levels in fights that actually happened, I don't know why I shouldn't take it's portrayal of a fight that never happened in the actual continuity without a massive grain of salt.

@Fated

Ant is arguing that regardless of whether or not the fight happened, it's an accurate depiction of what would happen had they fought.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Talk about stretching holistic intent.

Says you of all people. mmm

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@Fated

Ant is arguing that regardless of whether or not the fight happened, it's an accurate depiction of what would happen had they fought.


I understand his stance, but I don't think it is an accurate depiction, at least not 100% accurate.

Ehh, I have (dark side/Knightfall) Anakin on par with if not above the likes of Yoda and Sidious, so I personally think it's an accurate depiction. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Ehh, I have (dark side/Knightfall) Anakin on par with if not above the likes of Yoda and Sidious, so I personally think it's an accurate depiction. 🙂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The scene's intent isn't a weakened Mace vs Anakin, rofl. In fact, the player is unaware they even fought.

If we're willing to second guess authorial intent on non-canon maerial, why wouldn't we apply this to the feat you posted?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Says you of all people. mmm

Generally speaking, my arguments using holistic intent rely on evidence that's actually present in canon

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

A shitton of evidence. 🙂