My Hero is best at EVERYTHING!! No fooling man!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...naah. A group of people is making everyone leave. I received a personal message from someone that was one of the best member on this site for yrs on why he departed us, KMC and it is due to the same reason I wrote my previous sentence.

Rage is one of the biggest fanboys out there, though.

I like him, but calling him an unbiased, even handed poster who doesn't play favorites the same way you do with Hulk/Goku and I do with Catwoman is just wrong.

At least I admit I'm a catwoman fanboy.

Every member of every comic forum I know has at least 1 character that they never give a win against easily. With me it's Hellstrom from Marvel and pre 52 Alan Scot or Dr Fate for DC. Freely admit I have to fight my own bias to post that any of them would loose a vs match (or they'd havr to be in a Vs match against someone ridiculously more powerful.

Superman fans might seem overly biased but personally I think its just because of the difference between a forum fight and a comic showing. A LOT more of Supes losses (and while I used to loves supes I've hated him since death of Superman erc) are due to PIS which we dont use where Surfer and Thor is more CIS whichbis allowed.

Originally posted by cdtm
Rage is one of the biggest fanboys out there, though.

I like him, but calling him an unbiased, even handed poster who doesn't play favorites the same way you do with Hulk/Goku and I do with Catwoman is just wrong.

At least I admit I'm a catwoman fanboy.

👆 So now there's two of us.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it's also the nature of what's happening in comics. Let's look at some of the 'usual', 'classic' threads.

We've all done Superman vs Thor vs Hulk to death.

Except if I were to open that thread now, it would be a Superman with both pre and post 52 feats, vs Jane, or vs Amadeus Cho.

Wolverine vs Batman? Erm, Laura Kinney vs a guy who has faced WW and lived?

GL vs Surfer? At the moment, we have Hal outrunning OB, and Surfer struggling to cross the universe or whatever.

Flash vs.....yeah. Quicksilver? Runner hasn't had any new feats at all.

Lex vs IM? It'll be Riri Williams vs a guy who packs a frigging Motherbox.

There are one or two Marvel's who have packed on more battleboard feats, sure. Black Panther springs to mind. But then his usual opponents (Deathstroke fights Superman! Batman outpsces HV!) Just makes it difficult for some posters to accept, or to debate against.

And so it looks like they're being run off. Even Rulk, a relatively new Marvel character, gets downgraded.

1. There was no need for Thor-girl or Asian-Hulk except for political correctness. When you do crap like this you alienate your core fan group even if you get a temporary bump in sales for a few months.

2. Then there's the stupidity of everyone being able to beat everyone. There was a time when Marvel had a clearly designed formability and power lvl. Today outside of Hulk and Cap everyone can beat everyone. Add the proliferation of CL 100 bricks no hero stand out.

And that's why I see the 'Superfans' seeming to run others off.

Five, three years ago, a Hulk/Superman thread would be competitive. At the same time, new scans could be relied on on a weekly basis.

Now? Superfans can use showings from OWAW, Final Crisis, PLUS NU52 etc. Hulk fans have to rely on old scans (if they want to be competitive) at which point it's nothing new, or they're forced to use Cho, who is nowhere near Banner levels.

Whilst every week, Superman garners more feats.

So it looks like Superfans are stifling the forum, when it's actually just the reliability of new evidence and proofs (which keeps things fresh) that is also to blame.

Err.. Superman always had more feats... That really hasn't changed. Who else appears in more comics? Batman probably?

I think it's also the nature of what's happening in comics. Let's look at some of the 'usual', 'classic' threads.

We've all done Superman vs Thor vs Hulk to death.

Except if I were to open that thread now, it would be a Superman with both pre and post 52 feats, vs Jane, or vs Amadeus Cho.

Wolverine vs Batman? Erm, Laura Kinney vs a guy who has faced WW and lived?

GL vs Surfer? At the moment, we have Hal outrunning OB, and Surfer struggling to cross the universe or whatever.

Flash vs.....yeah. Quicksilver? Runner hasn't had any new feats at all.

Lex vs IM? It'll be Riri Williams vs a guy who packs a frigging Motherbox.

There are one or two Marvel's who have packed on more battleboard feats, sure. Black Panther springs to mind. But then his usual opponents (Deathstroke fights Superman! Batman outpsces HV!) Just makes it difficult for some posters to accept, or to debate against.

And so it looks like they're being run off. Even Rulk, a relatively new Marvel character, gets downgraded.

1. There was no need for Thor-girl or Asian-Hulk except for political correctness. When you do crap like this you alienate your core fan group even if you get a temporary bump in sales for a few months.

2. Then there's the stupidity of everyone being able to beat everyone. There was a time when Marvel had a clearly designed formability and power lvl. Today outside of Hulk and Cap everyone can beat everyone. Add the proliferation of CL 100 bricks no hero stand out.

3. Marvel is constantly deconstructing and Demonizing its heroes. It Started withNo more mutants with SW , than Civil War with Tony, X-man vs Avengers with Namor & Scott, and now withSecret Empire with Steve. So while the event might sell, fans of the character get PiS*ed when their favorite is show to be a callous manipulator, mass murderer or a traitor. This IMO is the reason for Marvel precipitous decline in sales and quality. Finally someone tell Marvel sometimes less is more we don't need over a dozen X-Book and 5 teams with X-Men yet claim they are a dying species.

Yeah he has, but new 52 Superman suddenly gaining all the feats of pre 52 is.....a good boost, won't you say? And vice versa.

OWAW Superman, who without the sundip can bench the Earth for five days etc etc.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err.. Superman always had more feats... That really hasn't changed. Who else appears in more comics? Batman probably?

It isn't just quantity though, it's also quality. Like DS said, Superman is being legitimately buffed while very few others in his bracket are.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err.. Superman always had more feats... That really hasn't changed. Who else appears in more comics? Batman probably?

Doesnt matter. He always had way more showings.... Good ones, bad ones, ok ones, etc...

Originally posted by -Pr-
It isn't just quantity though, it's also quality. Like DS said, Superman is being legitimately buffed while very few others in his bracket are.

So you don't think the canonicity buff, as I call it, where pre 52 Superman and Nu52 Superman being able to share feats, is a buff at all?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Is he? In comics? A few weeks ago his fans gushed all over how he blocked a Sinestro blast with hv like it was the second coming. I was like huh?? In my head, "guess they mustve missed his past hv feats that are a million times better".

It was more to do with the fact that he literally spit out the cosmic embodiment of the emotion of fear, and later on controlled it in a way that nobody, not even Hal Jordan or Sinestro, should be able to do with such ease.

It was a legitimately ridiculous feat of willpower.

No because he will always have more showings of any high tiered heroes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It was more to do with the fact that he literally spit out the cosmic embodiment of the emotion of fear, and later on controlled it in a way that nobody, not even Hal Jordan or Sinestro, should be able to do with such ease.

It was a legitimately ridiculous feat of willpower.

And yeah. At the hv feat. It was trying too hard..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No because he will always have more showings of any high tiered heroes.

So if I opened a thread, asking who could bench/lift more, and asked for quantifiable proof......you don't think Superman being able to draw on Nu52 showings is better than just limiting him to pre52?

Edit:. These entities=/= Parallax. Who else enslaved/overpowered it?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was a good feat. But have us seen how easily these entities have been enslaved or overpowered in the past?

And yeah. At the hv feat. It was trying too hard..

Some low showings don't invalidate their power, or what Superman was able to do.

Especially with how DC, as DS said, just combined two versions of Superman, giving him the feats of both. It's a ridiculous boost.

Then thats arguing against himself.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Some low showings don't invalidate their power, or what Superman was able to do.

Especially with how DC, as DS said, just combined two versions of Superman, giving him the feats of both. It's a ridiculous boost.

In regards to low showings, it doesnt invalidate... But it paints a broader picture. Same with any character.