Rewind: Trump had one the Popular Vote but Lost the Electoral College

Originally posted by cdtm
A british guy said it best: "America is like 50 countries."

If the founders wanted pure democracy, they wouldn't have set up this representative system in the first place.

Sure, technically all people do NOT have an equal vote for the feds.. Instead, they have an equal vote to sway their state.

Because state power was an even bigger deal then federal power when the founders made this mess. I'm not sure we can do direct democracy even if we wanted to (Although there's that multi state pact that's trying to work its way around the issue.)

Sorry, but one-citizen-one-vote would be the highest form of "state power", as a citizen can move to another state, take up legal residence and then vote from that state. You don't get any more fair and democratic than that, giving the power directly to the citizen above both the state and federal level. Isn't that what Republicans always claim to want? Power to the individual over the government in decision making laws.

One citizen = one vote, you know it's the most American and patriotic thing to do. Admit it already.

Originally posted by Robtard
Whining based on speculation and imagined scenarios. Good thread 👆

ps The electoral college needs to go; no, not just because of Trump. It was stupid before he ran. One citizen = one vote, that's how we should decide.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, but one-citizen-one-vote would be the highest form of "state power", as a citizen can move to another state, take up legal residence and then vote from that state. You don't get any more fair and democratic than that, giving the power directly to the citizen above both the state and federal level. Isn't that what Republicans always claim to want? Power to the individual over the government.

One citizen = one vote, you know it's the most American and patriotic thing to do. Admit it already.

If it was the American and patriotic thing to do, thats how America would have been set up. No one is forcing you to stay or participate in a system you don't agree with.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I disagree, true democracies are among the worst forms of govenment an that's the direction disolving the electoral college would take us in.

^ Chinese Communist in full display.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I disagree, true democracies are among the worst forms of govenment an that's the direction disolving the electoral college would take us in.

Liberals usually believe in True Democracy (mob rule) over Representative Democracy.

Capitalism over Socialism

Big Government over Small Govy

Atheism over God

Killing Babies over Saving them

Islam over Christianity

Identity Politics over American Culture

Division over unity

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Chinese Communist in full display.

Actually the Electoral College and Representative Democracy is American, not Chinese.

Originally posted by Sable
If it was the American and patriotic thing to do, thats how America would have been set up. No one is forcing you to stay or participate in a system you don't agree with.

Um, America is all about dissenting opinions and change if it's deemed worthy. Hell, even our Constitution is open to change; they're called amendments.

What you implied is about the most un-American thing one can say, "don't like it, then leave!".

Originally posted by Sable
Liberals usually believe in True Democracy (mob rule) over Representative Democracy.

Capitalism over Socialism

Big Government over Small Govy

Atheism over God

Killing Babies over Saving them

Islam over Christianity

Identity Politics over American Culture

Division over unity

^ Full insanity in display

I think you'd see mostly the same arguments being made against the EC, but probably from different people.

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, America is all about dissenting opinions and change if it's deemed worthy. Hell, even our Constitution is open to change; they're called amendments.

What you implied is about the most un-American thing one can say, "don't like it, then leave!".

Trying to change America cause you don't like the rules to win is un American. Yes its open to amendments, when is the last one that has been passed exactly, they are very hard to get done.

Requirements for an ammendment:
A constitutional convention
The legislatures of three-fourths (at present 38) of the states; or.
State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (at present 38) of the states.

I dont think you will like the next one because republicans only need to win like 6 more states to have one. Be careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by Sable
Trying to change America cause you don't like the rules to win is un American. Yes its open to amendments, when is the last one that has been passed exactly, they are very hard to get done.

A constitutional convention
The legislatures of three-fourths (at present 38) of the states; or.
State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (at present 38) of the states.

Do we forget that Segregation ended in 1964, that is modern history.

Let me guess, Civil Rights activist were un-American cos they wanted change to the [then] current rules?

I said rules to win as in the EC, stop being cute.

Making one citizen= one vote affects every citizen equally. So it's as fair as it gets, as everyone becomes equal. Do you hate equality now?

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Chinese Communist in full display.

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Chinese Communist in full display.

You do realize know liberals here in the "Which government type is better" thread we're trying to justify and talk up communism?

Originally posted by Robtard
Making one citizen= one vote affects every citizen equally. So it's as fair as it gets, as everyone becomes equal. Do you hate equality now?

Nice strawman👆

Originally posted by darthgoober
lol communism is for the SJWs, I'm all for people being allowed to earn and keep their own stuff. That's actually one of risks one runs with a "true democracy" where everything in the country is decided by popular vote. A group majority might decide to take property and/or legal rights from a minority group and vote towards that effect.

That's why we have a system of checks and balances, where if someone wanted to bring back segregation in a given state like say in Kentucky and it won by popular vote, it would be shot down.

But your slippery-slope aside, how do you see this evil happening with removing the EC and given each citizen equal voting power in regards to electing their next president?

It's only a slipper slope when it's on the other side I noticed

Originally posted by Sable
You do realize know liberals here in the "Which government type is better" thread we're trying to justify and talk up communism?

Actually I don't and they were probably ****ing with you, would be my guess

Originally posted by Sable
It's only a slipper slope when it's on the other side I noticed

Then you noticed incorrectly.

You don't even need to eliminate the EC, just make it more accurately represent the people that it's supposed to represent. If a candidate can lose the popular vote by a few million but win the EC by like 70 or whatever it was, then it stands to reason that maybe the system isn't accurately representing the people. It's counting some votes way more than others simply because of what chunk of land they live in, there's really no reason for that.

I seem to remember DDM, shortly after the election, doing the math and showing that using the current system is the only way that could really happen.

One very simple thing that could improve it without eliminating the EC is to make the electorals based on percentage. So instead of winner take all, if you win 60% of the popular in a state, you get 60% of the electorals. This would allow for a more accurate representation of the state, and the nation as a whole, without putting it all in a national popular vote system, which would probably have another set of problems to deal with.