Battle of the Bishes: Vaylin vs. Zannah

Originally posted by Azronger
Childhood trauma that scarred her for life and made her a psycho sound like fairly unpleasant memories.

Her persistent temper tantrums also indicate a wavering emotional state. Zannah has plenty to work with here.

The issue is just that. Vaylin is already is a crazy who's experienced intense psychological torture, the void of Nathema that was constantly trying to tear her mind apart, etc. She also had no signs of mental frailty when she returned to the prison for the first time either. Point being, I'm not exactly sure what Zannah's fear spells would show Vaylin that she hasn't already experienced or overcome.

Originally posted by Azronger
Force Suppression =/= Telepathic influence. Valkorion required elaborate rituals and psychological conditioning to chain her innate raw power, but had a fairly easy time turning his daughter into an obedient puppet with Telepathic domination.

Zannah's Spells are also telepathic in nature. Cognus was the Force Suppression gal.

Why?

Certainly you're not talking about Chapter 9, where Valkorion explicitly states that his consumption of her essence is what allows him to control her spirit, right? The part where Outlander frees Vaylin from Valkorion via the Holocron and he's unable to simply telepathically dominate her?

Zannah matches terribly with Vaylin. She can't press Vaylin enough offensively to not be destroyed by her force powers.

Yea, mentally fcking up Vaylin could easily end with Zannah pulling off an outburst like the one she had on Nathema which ends up taking out Zannah anyway.

Compelling arguments are being made for Vaylin's ability to overcome Zannah's psychic intrusions. But could she no-sell them? It's possible the struggle would enable Zannah to press her advantage, right?

Regardless, the consensus seems to be overwhelming that Vaylin would defeat Zannah. Anyone care to defend Bane's pupil here?

who the fook is vaylin

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The issue is just that. Vaylin is already is a crazy who's experienced intense psychological torture, the void of Nathema that was constantly trying to tear her mind apart, etc. She also had no signs of mental frailty when she returned to the prison for the first time either. Point being, I'm not exactly sure what Zannah's fear spells would show Vaylin that she hasn't already experienced or overcome.

Memory's a bit foggy but didn't Vaylin fear being chained again the most? She was screaming at her dad about it.

Certainly you're not talking about Chapter 9, where Valkorion explicitly states that his consumption of her essence is what allows him to control her spirit, right? The part where Outlander frees Vaylin from Valkorion via the Holocron and he's unable to simply telepathically dominate her?

Quote, please.

Zannah matches terribly with Vaylin. She can't press Vaylin enough offensively to not be destroyed by her force powers.

What's Vaylin got goin' for her that'd allow her to obliterate Zannah?

Looks like Zannah mindrapes.

What exactly does that prove?

That she's mentally unstable?

Mentally unstable =/= crippling fear that Zannah's spell could exploit. Her willpower is still intact, kek.

If you say so...

I'm wondering what willpower consists of, Skillz, and why it would allowed her to resist Zannah. Mind elaborating on that a bit? Because she's need quite insane amounts of it to overcome Zannah in a mind battle given her mental instability and past experiences.

I like how Az still thinks that an energy blast broke her out of a mental block and made her more powerful.

Top notch logic.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I like how Az still thinks that an energy blast broke her out of a mental block and made her more powerful.

Top notch logic.

Indeed. TOR writers were really on their A-game there.

Originally posted by Azronger
I'm wondering what willpower consists of, Skillz, and why it would allowed her to resist Zannah.

Because Bane literally states that it's the way to go against Zannah's sorcery. 👆

Originally posted by Azronger
Mind elaborating on that a bit? Because she's need quite insane amounts of it to overcome Zannah in a mind battle given her mental instability and past experiences.

Mental instability (in and of itself) doesn't constitute a win for Zannah here if we know that Vaylin's willpower is intact. Which we do, given she overcame her experiences on Nathema as a child without being mentally destroyed and on Nathema as an adult (when she used BRAIN to break free). She literally had the void of Nathema clawing to erase her mind from existence for years.

SOR Revan, who's probably more mentally unstable than Vaylin, has arguably the best willpower in the mythos. Would Zannah oneshot him because of his "mental instability"?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because Bane literally states that it's the way to go against Zannah's sorcery. 👆

Mental instability (in and of itself) doesn't constitute a win for Zannah here if we know that Vaylin's willpower is intact. Which we do, given she overcame her experiences on Nathema as a child without being mentally destroyed and on Nathema as an adult (when she used BRAIN to break free). She literally had the void of Nathema clawing to erase her mind from existence for years.

SOR Revan, who's probably more mentally unstable than Vaylin, has arguably the best willpower in the mythos. Would Zannah oneshot him because of his "mental instability"?

And how do you scale all of that to Bane, who is probably the weakest person Zannah couldn't break?