Originally posted by Silent Master
How exactly is Daredevil going to stop Cap from activating a device he has built into his uniform?
Apparently because OP states Cap lost his shield and Matt picked it up, h1 thinks Cap doesn't have it here.
But the gauntlet is just for Cap being lazy. He doesn't actually need it to beat Matt down and just yank it back. Matt is nowhere near strong enough to hold onto it, and he's been hit by so many people if you think Cap won't land a hand on him, you're being h1.
This thread should never have made it past the first page. We've already seen what happens when Matt fights a superhuman opponent, as seen during his first fight with Black Sky Elektra. And I use this fight because it's the only one where neither knew who the other was (at least right up until the end), so it's the best comparison. And Matt showed that while he has the speed and skill to compete, he does not have the strength to hurt his opponent (he actually landed way more hits than Elektra, but they had little real effect) or durability (both super strong hits Elektra landed caused him visible trouble). Matt just does not have the strength and toughness to compete here.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerHe loses, no one here is saying otherwise. The argument is basically how fast does he lose?
This thread should never have made it past the first page. We've already seen what happens when Matt fights a superhuman opponent, as seen during his first fight with Black Sky Elektra. And I use this fight because it's the only one where neither knew who the other was (at least right up until the end), so it's the best comparison. And Matt showed that while he has the speed and skill to compete, he does not have the strength to hurt his opponent (he actually landed way more hits than Elektra, but they had little real effect) or durability (both super strong hits Elektra landed caused him visible trouble). Matt just does not have the strength and toughness to compete here.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Nice attempt to shift the burden, it's not going to work.
A negative not proven doesn't make the positive true. So at best, neither the arguments that Cap can or cannot can be argued here.
And negatives can be proven by lack of evidence.
There is no evidence that Cap can grab the shield easily. Therefore the negative is proven.
Originally posted by h1a8
How can you prove A negative other than with the absence of evidence?
Nobody is asking you to prove a negative, we are asking you to back up your claim and that would be done by you proving that DD's stats and skills place his fighting formidability close enough to Cap's, that Cap wouldn't be able to easily disarm him.
Seriously, why do you continue to require people to explain basic concepts to you?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
This is a little more even now after defenders since DD fought the wanked Black Sky to a stand still. Impressive showing which keeps it from being an outright stomp but I'd still say Cap.
This would go similar to Cap vs Batroc or Cap vs Crossbones IMO. Matt can make a nuisance of himself, but will go down hard once the kid gloves come off.
There is actually a deleted scene from CA:CW where Cap does similar to Black Widow. She manages to taser him in the face/neck, and even disarms him of his shield, but the moment he gets fed up with her shenanigans, he quickly restrains and gets rid of her. Now, that specific showing is not canon, but it is consistent with how normal people tend to fair against Super Soldiers. And, like the Crossbones and Batroc fights (where Cap was not using his shield against either when he actually beat them), it shows Cap can manage fights against humans without his shield, without any serious trouble.