Captain America vs Daredevil

Started by Arachnid15 pages

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This would go similar to Cap vs Batroc or Cap vs Crossbones IMO. Matt can make a nuisance of himself, but will go down hard once the kid gloves come off.

There is actually a deleted scene from CA:CW where Cap does similar to Black Widow. She manages to taser him in the face/neck, and even disarms him of his shield, but the moment he gets fed up with her shenanigans, he quickly restrains and gets rid of her. Now, that specific showing is not canon, but it is consistent with how normal people tend to fair against Super Soldiers. And, like the Crossbones and Batroc fights (where Cap was not using his shield against either when he actually beat them), it shows Cap can manage fights against humans without his shield, without any serious trouble.

DD is above peak human when it comes to reflexes at least. That scene where he flipped between the russians close quarter full auto fire (aim dodging likely) and fighting evenly with the Black Sky who was durable enough to take the Iron Fist, fast enough to block bullets with her sword, and strong enough to KO Iron Fist (as she took out all the defenders at the same time; I'm pretty sure Cage was effected by the gas but still impressive), not to mention some pretty great damage soak and his scenes against the ninjas. I'd put DD above the human enemies Cap has fought

Originally posted by Arachnid1
DD is above peak human when it comes to reflexes at least. That scene where he flipped between the russians close quarter full auto fire (aim dodging likely) and fighting evenly with the Black Sky who was durable enough to take the Iron Fist, fast enough to block bullets with her sword, and strong enough to KO Iron Fist (as she took out all the defenders at the same time; I'm pretty sure Cage was effected by the gas but still impressive), not to mention some pretty great damage soak and his scenes against the ninjas. I'd put DD above the human enemies Cap has fought

Fair enough. Even without gear, he did WAY better than the 10 armed Hand ninjas who tried to take her on in the dark during her training (who she defeated in about 10 seconds, despite starting unarmed lol). And he has also improved a lot in terms of not getting hit in fights. People as skilled as Iron Fist and Murakami were struggling to tag him, and Bakuto couldn't manage it at all, even two-on-one. Even Elektra wasn't having it easy. And I honestly don't recall a single fodder tagging him throughout Defenders (though, if there is an instance, feel free to point it out). Though, in terms of Crossbones at least, the guy did have the piston arms with the blades, dead nerves/pain resistance, and was decked out from head to toe in thick body armour.

And I think in the scene where she KO'd Luke, the gas was still playing a big factor. In no other scene in the entire show does she actually knock all of them out cold like that, especially with that level of ease. Hell, Danny got KO'd by the gas alone (despite the fact that it had already dispersed quite a bit) upon contact, just as he was about to Iron Fist out. Or just look at DD himself. A single superhuman hit to the chest in that encounter laid his ass out, whereas he took two comparable hits during their very first fight (when he got punched like 15 feet through the one glass pane, and then later kicked probably about 10 feet across a room into a bookcase, breaking some shelves on impact) that, despite clearly hurting him, didn't actually KO him.

Stick mixed up the gas, so it was likely something from the Chaste that he was already immune to (he specifically mixed it up to clear the path to Danny, so makes no sense to poison himself). As to why Black Sky was not affected? Stick did raise her and she was also a Chaste member until her death, so it might be similar to Stick. Or maybe the fact that she is the resurrected superhuman Black Sky might make her more resistant to those kinds of things. Or it is bad writing. Because them getting KO'd like that is inconsistent with all the other fights.

Batroc is featless. It’s arguing in circles to assume is comparable to DD.
Everyone here agrees that Cap wins. The true argument is how easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batroc is featless. It’s arguing in circles to assume is comparable to DD.
Everyone here agrees that Cap wins. The true argument is how easily.

there is no argument. cap beats the shit out of daredevil

Cap wins 10/10 and it's not even close.

Cap wins 10/10 yes. But each fight takes much longer than the Batroc fight, especially since DD has the shield.

The Batroc fight only lasted seconds after Cap stopped holding back. so yay, DD can last more than a few seconds.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap wins 10/10 yes. But each fight takes much longer than the Batroc fight, especially since DD has the shield.

Matt having the shield means nothing, all of us ecept you have seen the films so we know how strong Cap is. Cap easiily gets his shield back.. however he really need his shioeld against Matt. Cap stomps pure and simple

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap wins 10/10 yes. But each fight takes much longer than the Batroc fight, especially since DD has the shield.

I would agree that it takes longer. I think Matt could evade a couple of punches.

But Cap is just TOO STRONG for this to even be considered a fight.

Matt has 0 chances.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The Batroc fight only lasted seconds after Cap stopped holding back. so yay, DD can last more than a few seconds.
If both fought just h2h then I would say Cap wins in about 20-40 seconds . But giving DD the shield then the fight lasts a minimum of 60 seconds (possibly more than 120 seconds).

Originally posted by h1a8
If both fought just h2h then I would say Cap wins in about 20-40 seconds . But giving DD the shield then the fight lasts a minimum of 60 seconds (possibly more than 120 seconds).

DD has zero exp using the shield or any similar weapon, it's far more likely that trying to use it will only hinder him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
DD has zero exp using the shield or any similar weapon, it's far more likely that trying to use it will only hinder him.

It's easy to use the shield. Just block with it. It has a much larger area.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's easy to use the shield. Just block with it. It has a much larger area.

Seriously? using a shield effectively takes actual training and skill. especially against someone like Cap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seriously? using a shield effectively takes actual training and skill. especially against someone like Cap.
No it doesn't. I can use the shield effectively. It's extremely easy. Just strap it to the left arm and block with it.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it doesn't. I can use the shield effectively. It's extremely easy. Just strap it to the left arm and block with it.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.
Just put the shield on my left arm and use it to block when someone throws a punch or kick.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just put the shield on my left arm and use it to block when someone throws a punch or kick.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.

Prove that I can use the shield to block?

You can't prove common sense. It's an axiom.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that I can use the shield to block?

You can't prove common sense. It's an axiom.

Prove that you've never had any training to use a shield and then prove that you can use it effectively against someone that has massive exp using one and is > you in stats.

h1 is always good for laughs