Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerAnd, BTW, using wikis as arguments is another violation of MvF rules.
MVF rules :
2) Google, YouTube, and Wikipedia are your friends. Use them wisely to find all sorts of neat material for your threads.
Your Ignorance has been noted TheVaultDweller.
Do yourself a favor and go inform yourself.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerSo, as far as I am concerned, we're done here. Majority backs Cage over Cap, no matter how much you cry.
Now it's clear you have no arguments to fight mines.
You have lost the discussion. Until you can bring stronger evidence, my points are valid.
As i said, I respect everyone's opinion
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
MVF rules :Your Ignorance has been noted TheVaultDweller.
Do yourself a favor and go inform yourself.
Okay, seeing as you do not grasp the point, let me clarify. The key words there are "use them wisely". A wiki page itself is not a source. You can however use the wiki page to look up other sources, such as when they have specific feats listed in the footnotes, referencing when they actually occur. Because things like the MCU wiki pages themselves get edited by various fans who run the site all the time, and mistakes sometimes occur. I remember that same MCU wiki for a brief time had enhanced senses listed as one of Luke Cage's powers.
Because, after all, if it's actually accurate, it should be easy to point out the actual screen feats in question, instead of a wiki article. And you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone here to accept the word of a wiki page without an onscreen reference to support it.
I mean, hell, just look at that site's MCU Cap page. In the powers, under reflexes, have things written like, "His auto-reflexes allow him to easily dodge gunfire", with a reference to when this actually happened conspicuously absent. Cap is fast, but he's hardly what you would call a casual bullet timer.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
More like no patience
This.
And until he stops his strawman antics, I am not going to bother engaging him in any discussions again.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Okay, seeing as you do not grasp the point, let me clarify. The key words there are "use them wisely". A wiki page itself is not a source. You can however use the wiki page to look up other sources, such as when they have specific feats listed in the footnotes, referencing when they actually occur. Because things like the MCU wiki pages themselves get edited by various fans who run the site all the time, and mistakes sometimes occur. I remember that same MCU wiki for a brief time had enhanced senses listed as one of Luke Cage's powers.Because, after all, if it's actually accurate, it should be easy to point out the actual screen feats in question, instead of a wiki article. And you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone here to accept the word of a wiki page without an onscreen reference to support it.
I mean, hell, just look at that site's MCU Cap page. In the powers, under reflexes, have things written like, "His auto-reflexes allow him to easily dodge gunfire", with a reference to when this actually happened conspicuously absent. Cap is fast, but he's hardly what you would call a casual bullet timer.
This.
And until he stops his strawman antics, I am not going to bother engaging him in any discussions again.
In which instance haven't i used them wisely?
The Youtube videos I presented had Valid evidence themselves. They are not strong evidence, but is better than anything you have give so far!
My points have clearly been supported.
But as i said before, i accept your opinion 😉
Oh, and don't bother, isn't like i wish to keep discussing what i've already won.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
In which instance haven't i used them wisely?
So, you don't even have enough common sense to realise what sources are valid and what aren't? You can't differentiate between fan statements that need references and actual screen footage?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Youtube videos I presented had Valid evidence themselves. They are not strong evidence, but is better than anything you have give so far!
False, as nothing you posted topped the feats I listed for Luke's durability, or the striking feats from him or Iron Fist. Iron Fist has wrecked the entire floor of a skyscraper with a single punch. Iron Man has never done that.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
My points have clearly been supported.But as i said before, i accept your opinion 😉
Oh, and don't bother, isn't like i wish to keep discussing what i've already won.
You haven't won shit lol. All you have done with this thread is lower your credibility even further. If you had been more reasonable up until this point, I would have actually made an effort to post vids of the SUV/garbage truck impacts, given stats on what the vehicles weigh (according to the internet movie vehicle database and other sources), I would have pointed out how steel has a tensile strength of around 40,000 PSI per square inch, and how Luke can casually bend solid gun barrels and things like tinfoil, which suggests that he exerts way more than that. I would have posted actual calcs to show just how powerful the rocket launcher impact from Luke Cage's own show was. Because those things are available.
But why should I? When you have shown repeatedly that you have zero qualms about being dishonest and changing the wording of my statements to misrepresent their meaning. Because there is actually a word for that. It is called creating strawmen. Which is considered a shitty and dishonest debating tactic. And until you get out of that habit, I have no time left for you.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He's always been dishonest. like in the other thread he is basically arguing that a statement from one universe trumps actual onscreen feats from another universe.
To be fair, I do actually think that Imp is being a bit inconsistent with this one overall. If he ruled against things like the tectonic plate feat from BvS in the past, I fail to see how character statements from people who clearly aren't omniscient (and definitely are not aware of the other universe being discussed in the debate) hold any water at all. Of course, that's assuming Josh has been honest about his whole interaction with Imp.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
To be fair, I do actually think that Imp is being a bit inconsistent with this one overall. If he ruled against things like the tectonic plate feat from BvS in the past, I fail to see how character statements from people who clearly aren't omniscient (and definitely are not aware of the other universe being discussed in the debate) hold any water at all. Of course, that's assuming Josh has been honest about his whole interaction with Imp.
I think it's more Josh being dishonest. it's why he went the PM route instead of accepting my challenge. He didn't want IMP to see both sides of the argument and make an informed decision.
The PM's show he straight up ignored the meat of the argument and asked if "Statements are allowed". Which, I get his reasoning in saying yes, as the rest of the question wasn't asked. Without context, it could be worded like, "Tony Stark says Vibranium is the strongest metal around." And then it's proven to be. A feat compliments a statement. But he ignored all that so Imp would give the answer he wanted.
Originally posted by KingD19
The PM's show he straight up ignored the meat of the argument and asked if "Statements are allowed". Which, I get his reasoning in saying yes, as the rest of the question wasn't asked. Without context, it could be worded like, "Tony Stark says Vibranium is the strongest metal around." And then it's proven to be. A feat compliments a statement. But he ignored all that so Imp would give the answer he wanted.
Which is exactly what I said he'd do.
Originally posted by Silent Master
10 to 1 says you phrased the question in such way to get the answer you want. Nobody trusts you.
Even though it should be obvious, I am also going to clarify that when I said bend steel and things like tinfoil, I meant as if the objects in question were tinfoil. I know most people have enough common sense to realise that no one in their right mind would list bending actual tinfoil as a strength feat, but I can't be sure with Josh.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, you don't even have enough common sense to realise what sources are valid and what aren't? You can't differentiate between fan statements that need references and actual screen footage?False, as nothing you posted topped the feats I listed for Luke's durability, or the striking feats from him or Iron Fist. Iron Fist has wrecked the entire floor of a skyscraper with a single punch. Iron Man has never done that.
You haven't won shit lol. All you have done with this thread is lower your credibility even further. If you had been more reasonable up until this point, I would have actually made an effort to post vids of the SUV/garbage truck impacts, given stats on what the vehicles weigh (according to the internet movie vehicle database and other sources), I would have pointed out how steel has a tensile strength of around 40,000 PSI per square inch, and how Luke can casually bend solid gun barrels and things like tinfoil, which suggests that he exerts way more than that. I would have posted actual calcs to show just how powerful the rocket launcher impact from Luke Cage's own show was. Because those things are available.
But why should I? When you have shown repeatedly that you have zero qualms about being dishonest and changing the wording of my statements to misrepresent their meaning. Because there is actually a word for that. It is called creating strawmen. Which is considered a shitty and dishonest debating tactic. And until you get out of that habit, I have no time left for you.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I think it's more Josh being dishonest. it's why he went the PM route instead of accepting my challenge. He didn't want IMP to see both sides of the argument and make an informed decision.
Originally posted by KingD19
The PM's show he straight up ignored the meat of the argument and asked if "Statements are allowed". Which, I get his reasoning in saying yes, as the rest of the question wasn't asked. Without context, it could be worded like, "Tony Stark says Vibranium is the strongest metal around." And then it's proven to be. A feat compliments a statement. But he ignored all that so Imp would give the answer he wanted.
It's clear both of you are too stupid to debate with.
@TheVaultDweller
All you have done so far is use personal comments. You have showed no evidence nor viable information to trumpcard my points (Last time i check personal comments aren't viable for debating).
Until now, you've not debated, you've attacked. Therefore it's not longer worthy to keep arguing with you 😉
Cheerio!
Originally posted by Silent Master
You ignoring his evidence isn't the same as him not posting any.
No. How can i ignore something he hasn't given.
I outlined and evidenced my points. He has used personal comments to attack them, which isn't debating.
So, until he can bring competent stronger evidence, my points are still up.