Originally posted by Azronger
I know it was already falling, but do you know how much energy it would be required to even alter it's trajectory like that? Millions of times more than it would take to collapse a ****ing building. Galen also literally wrenched it down at the very end.
This is a wild speculation on your part and I disagree with it. First, this was an event of extreme focus:
With his legs braced firmly in the trash, he reached as deep as he had ever reached into the Force, and then went farther still, feeling as though a mighty chasm had opened up under him and his mind and will plunged down into it. The chasm filled. His mind opened. The physical existence of the Star Destroyer slid painlessly inside.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
I see an element of oneness in this showing:
There is no wherever, he told himself. There is only where I tell it to.
Focus.
The tip of his right index finger and the Star Destroyer became as one in his mind. Every nut and bolt and plate and wire of the massive machine was contained within that tiny space. It wasn't hard to move an arm, a finger, a single human cell. He could direct one barely without thinking, so why not the other, too? Instinct was clearer on that point than the workings of his mind. Ignoring perspective, the two were about the same size in his field of vision.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
It was like as if Marek had become one with the Star Destroyer, forging a powerful bond with the object in order to influence its course.
And when the deed ended, it left Marek completely drained:
Abandoning his control over the ship, knowing there was nothing now that he could do to alter its course, the apprentice staggered backward, dazed. The Force fled from him, leaving him wrung out and drained. With a sound like the world ending, the Star Destroyer completed its first and final journey. It hit the cannon, exactly as it was supposed to, and the sky turned white. The ground buckled beneath the apprentice's feet. He pinwheeled, unable to find his balance, as a tsunami of junk and waste rose up ahead of him and blotted out the sun.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
- not a combat-applicable showing in the slightest. You cannot expect Marek to bring that much power into bear in a fight because he wouldn't have time for it and would be exposing himself to assault [should he try].
Second, Marek's objective was to alter the trajectory of the falling Star Destroyer. Not once, he had to lift millions of tons of mass. Even if we assume that this deed was more tedious than that of collapsing two buildings whose debris entrapped Darth Malgus, it cannot be millions of times more tedious because in both instances [gravity] did the heavy-lifting. In-fact, buildings in Star Wars significantly vary in size and durability and many literally dwarf that Star Destroyer in size. It is unwise to issue a blanket statement that Marek's showing is millions of times more tedious than collapsing a building; seriously do not.
Originally posted by Azronger
I wasn't referring to TFU I, but TFU II, where Vader is literally toying with and is able to dominate Galen's clone who is even more powerful than the original. This was before Vader grew immensely in power.
I would like to see evidence of these claims.
Even if Darth Vader was becoming stronger over time, Marek's showing should not be used to scale him or assess his day-to-day abilities. Marek's showing is a one-off kind of thing; not something that he could replicate on a daily basis in any situation.
Originally posted by Azronger
Placing Vader at building level is uttely dishonest and would require insane levels of lowballing. The fact that you have a random Jedi scrub from the TOR era on his tier is very telling.
Really now?
When Darth Vader collapsed a building (i.e. Cathedral), he had to exert quiet a bit and lived to tell the tale due to the will of the Force.
Collapsing a building [with Telekinetic abilities] is a high-end showing even for the likes of Darth Vader. In-fact, some buildings are too large to collapse [with Telekinetic abilities] in one go.
A random Jedi scrub? Just because that Jedi Master is lacking in backstory, doesn't implies that he was a scrub. You do not see a random Jedi scrub putting up a fight against Darth Malgus or collapsing buildings in a fight. That Jedi Master was clearly a force to be reckoned with. The fact that Darth Malgus tackled such a foe in spite of being mortally wounded [decades before his prime], should tell you something about his power on the other hand.
When has Darth Maul collapsed a (proper) building in a fight or otherwise? Not once even in his prime. The best we have seen from him is pulling a Shuttle from the edge of a cliff which is slightly better than the showing of Savage Opress. To Darth Malgus, a Force-user of this much strength is a minor issue.
Originally posted by Azronger
Fulminiss disintegrating a city is pure legend. It's never confirmed if it actually happened. Why are you taking that as legit but writing off Galen's feat on the basis off "he didn't actually bring it down" when no one claimed he did, but it still being an absolutely monsterous feat, and the pretending Vader is building-level?
FYI:
A legend is a very old and popular story that may be true. (Collins English Dictionary)
It is a piece of information that establish the power of Lord Fulminiss. This guy is openly credited for his expertise in the arts of 'mass extermination' and acknowledged as one of the most powerful Sith Sorcerers (ever). Even if his legend is half-true, it still suggests a showing that is massively ahead of anything we have seen from Darth Vader (destruction-wise). Nonetheless, Lord Fulminiss pulled it off in a fit of rage.
Marek's showing is a one-off and Darth Vader is building-level. I stick by my position.