Good job they can be retconned.
Given that the Hero is outright stated to be more powerful than Darth Angral by the end of Act I. That's the OOU source. Angral who was quite clearly within the realm of Darth Malgus as of Decieved and posdibly onwards. Malgus, obviously, is more powerful than Satele Shan.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Good job they can be retconned.
What does that have to do with anything? LMFAO. They can be retconned? Well, so can HoT's quotes, lol. Point being: they're not valid and don't carry as much weight as you think they do.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Given that the Hero is outright stated to be more powerful than Darth Angral by the end of Act I. That's the OOU source. Angral who was quite clearly within the realm of Darth Malgus as of Decieved and posdibly onwards. Malgus, obviously, is more powerful than Satele Shan.
Dear God that's absolutely retarded.
Please keep pretending Angral as of the Great War is comparable to Angral as of the Sacking of Coruscant. 😂
During the Battle of Ord Radama, Malgus calls Adraas a fool and yet refers to Angral as essentially his only equal.
This is all a moot point though, Hero's own feats can take this quite simply. Scaling just makes it worse for Savage.
"Luke Skywalker tested Kyp’s Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest Force presence he had known since his Masters, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda."
Th quote specifically mentions Jedi power potential in the first sentence, that can be read to tie in with the Force presence Luke sensed, especially given it goes on to name strictly Jedi, despite the fact Luke thought DE Palpatine was the most powerful being to ever exist.
"Once my greatest student, then my greatest enemy under the tutelage of the shade of Exar Kun"
Oh, so you mean Kyp Durron AND Exar Kun? It isn't much of a stretch to think nigh-full potential Durron - armed with knowledge from one of the most deadliest Sith Lords ever- in Exar Kun, could be a greater threat than Palpatine, all things considered. It wasn't Kyp by himself, as you'd have others to believe.
The rest isn't relevant to the Kyp point, nor do I care to comment.
This is all a moot point though, from the start of the prologue we know the HoT is nearly an expert duelist already. His feats as of the prologue make him the greatest Padawan in generations. After the prologue, the Hero is already praised as the most powerful Jedi on Tython by four separate people.
Throughout Act 1 we already have numerous Sith and Jedi all saying he's the most powerful Jedi in the Order, given the sequence of events. Act 1 HoT should already be more powerful than Act II Barsen'thor. A title which is only bestowed upon the most prodigious Force users in Jedi history.
By the end of the Act, Shan calls the HoT the Order's finest. It's not that much after Act 1 that HoT is also bestowed the title of Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. Meaning Act 1 HoT isn't just already well-versed in the seven forms but it also mean the HoT is well on his way to being the premier duelist of the entire Jedi Order.
Let's not even get started on how impressive it is for HoT to have already butchered Darth Angral.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Please keep pretending Angral as of the Great War is comparable to Angral as of the Sacking of Coruscant. 😂
Given no specific power growth was ever mentioned, you'd have an unquantifiable difference between them. Regardless, Shan has Return and Hope Malgus above Baras, who was above Angral. So your "scaling" falls apart.
Originally posted by AncientPower
During the Battle of Ord Radama, Malgus calls Adraas a fool and yet refers to Angral as essentially his only equal.
And then Malgus proceeded to wreck him. See what I'm saying? A higher state of command =/=
Originally posted by AncientPower
This is all a moot point though, Hero's own feats can take this quite simply. Scaling just makes it worse for Savage.
Ah yes, those feats of besting Bengel Morr or whatever his name is, who was better than Orgus Din who as we all know is Count Dooku level.
Originally posted by AncientPower
This is all a moot point though, from the start of the prologue we know the HoT is nearly an expert duelist already. His feats as of the prologue make him the greatest Padawan in generations. After the prologue, the Hero is already praised as the most powerful Jedi on Tython by four separate people.Throughout Act 1 we already have numerous Sith and Jedi all saying he's the most powerful Jedi in the Order, given the sequence of events. Act 1 HoT should already be more powerful than Act II Barsen'thor. A title which is only bestowed upon the most prodigious Force users in Jedi history.
By the end of the Act, Shan calls the HoT the Order's finest. It's not that much after Act 1 that HoT is also bestowed the title of Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. Meaning Act 1 HoT isn't just already well-versed in the seven forms but it also mean the HoT is well on his way to being the premier duelist of the entire Jedi Order.
Let's not even get started on how impressive it is for HoT to have already butchered Darth Angral.
And none of that puts him above Savage. 👆
Originally posted by Deronn_soloOh, so you mean Kyp Durron AND Exar Kun? It isn't much of a stretch to think nigh-full potential Durron - armed with knowledge from one of the most deadliest Sith Lords ever- in Exar Kun, could be a greater threat than Palpatine, all things considered. It wasn't Kyp by himself, as you'd have others to believe.
Wouldn't that place Luke above palps?
Originally posted by AncientPower
He boasts about it himself. 😬
Again, I'd like a legitimate quote. And can you quantify how much he's grown? Even if it's considerable, he'd still at best be equal to the Baras Satele fought and considered sub-Malgus.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Malgus never fought Angral, he killed Adraas. 😂
I was talking Adraas, you imbecile.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Nice laughable lowballing attempt Myth, I'd have thought you were better than that.
It's not lowballing, it's his feats are legitimately trash compared to someone frequently giving pause to Asajj Ventress and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Given how massively he scales off of Aryn Leneer, it kinda does.
You've yet to actually either quantify or properly defend that "scaling". Did Satele Shan or Scourge even meet Aryn Leneer directly?
Originally posted by MythLord
giving pause to Asajj Ventress
Originally posted by MythLord
and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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