Jiren vs Beerus

Who wins?

Hard to say. I'd side with Jiren based on Whis's comments.

Beerus

****ing... Beerus.

lol.

Even new form Goku isn't > Beerus.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
****ing... Beerus.

lol.

Even new form Goku isn't > Beerus.

What makes you say this?

Originally posted by bbrem123
What makes you say this?

Going by the manga, Beerus knows Ultra Instinct. Used it against about five GoD, including Bermoufh.

Imperfectly, but probably better then Goku's version.

It's a fair point.

Thanks. 👆

The way I see it, dodging five GoD, then forcing them to hide behind a barrior at his ki attack, is the better feat. Even if Jiren can fight all day with just one, that's a pretty big difference compared what Beerus did.

Jiren kills him.

He said that Jiren appears to be the rumored mortal more powerful than a GoD. A GoD that, I may add, according to Whis is more powerful than Beerus.

Beerus is more powerful then "a" GoD, too. He just about nearly took out five of them. They admitted a force field ability is the only thing that saved them.

Just because you're a GoD doesn't automatically make you an apex fighter. The fact Toppo is being trained as universe 11's next God of Destruction (He joined the conference of GoD's because of this), and Jiren isn't, proves this.

manga=/=anime

Anyway, as I said, the GoD Whis was talking about is supposedly stronger than Beerus.

Originally posted by ares834
manga=/=anime

Anyway, as I said, the GoD Whis was talking about is supposedly stronger than Beerus.

We will see if this is actually Belmod. Whis was making assumptions.

Originally posted by Inedian
We will see if this is actually Belmod. Whis was making assumptions.

Yep.

And Belmod was among the GoD Beerus fought.

Manga and anime may differ, but there's no reason to assume a difference where no stated difference exists. afawk, Belmod is as strong in the manga as he is in the anime, as are all the GoD's..

Except a stated difference does exist. Whis himself straight out says it.

It basically comes down to the individual who has greater mastery of Ultra Instinct.

Whis says you can overcome any danger if you have it mastered. Which is strange because you have the Grand Priest begin far superior to all other angels even though they have this ability. Making his statement untrue.

Originally posted by ares834
Except a stated difference does exist. Whis himself straight out says it.

Whis says (Quitela) is stronger because he won an arm wrestling match, which was in the manga, too. That doesn't make him a better fighter, though, and going by the manga he's clearly not.

In the anime he is seemingly referring to Belmod.

Possibly. That could very well be a misdirection, though. Well, if you give Toei enough credit to pull of something remotely clever, that is, which I agree is a stretch.

Regardless though, the point stands. An arm wrestling match says almost nothing about how someone will fare in a fight, provided the match isn't horribly lopsided.

The anime says a GoD beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

The anime says a fighter is stonger then a GoD.

That's all we know from the anime. It doesn't say who is stronger then whom, or if the fighter and GoD was from the same universe, or who beat Beerus in a competitiion.

Nothing contradicts the manga.