Jiren vs Beerus

Whis: "There is a universe where lives a mortal that even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus."

Beerus: "Dont go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match."

Quitela(the rat) is the GOD that beat Beerus in an wrestling match. They say it in the manga.
Now looking back at this comment. Makes me think Jiren is not that motal. They make it seem like the mortal is from Quitela's universe. (universe 4)

I think everyone needs to revisit what Whis said about Jiren vs the GOD. A lot of people here are all off track. Jiren wins this by the way.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Whis: "There is a universe where lives a mortal that even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus."

Beerus: "Dont go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match."

Quitela(the rat) is the GOD that beat Beerus in an wrestling match. They say it in the manga.
Now looking back at this comment. Makes me think Jiren is not that motal. They make it seem like the mortal is from Quitela's universe. (universe 4)

There were differences between manga and anime. Quitela was smiling and was really relaxed with no worries during Jiren and Goku fight tough.

Toppo was relaxed as well and Jiren would destroy him.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Whis: "There is a universe where lives a mortal that even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus."

Beerus: "Dont go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match."

Quitela(the rat) is the GOD that beat Beerus in an wrestling match. They say it in the manga.
Now looking back at this comment. Makes me think Jiren is not that motal. They make it seem like the mortal is from Quitela's universe. (universe 4)

Whis states that the rumors seem to be true about Jiren indicating that Jiren is said mortal.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Possibly. That could very well be a misdirection, though. Well, if you give Toei enough credit to pull of something remotely clever, that is, which I agree is a stretch.

Regardless though, the point stands. An arm wrestling match says almost nothing about how someone will fare in a fight, provided the match isn't horribly lopsided.

True enough. I didn't realize Beerus mentioned that it was an arm wrestling match immediately afterwards.

Originally posted by carver9
Toppo was relaxed as well and Jiren would destroy him.

???

Yeah, Toppo didn't look relaxed at all.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
???

Toppo was standing on the cliff with his arms crossed while Jiren and Goku fought.

Originally posted by carver9
Toppo was relaxed as well and Jiren would destroy him.

Toppo and Jiren are sworn friends. Why he wouldn't be relaxed with friend? He knows Jiren would never attack his friend, while Jiren is an opponent to every other universe.
Once LBGoku came out, he wasn't relaxed, he wanted to help his friend.

Probably the worst comparison there ever was on KMC.

And they are beginning to promote that some mysterious new fighter is entering the ToP.

Originally posted by carver9
Toppo was standing on the cliff with his arms crossed while Jiren and Goku fought.

Toppo didn't look relaxed at all. Toppo was intently staring at the fight. Quitela has his arms behind his head, was smiling, and wasn't even looking at the fight.

He didn't seem worried either.

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't seem worried either.

Why did he wanted to help Jiren then?

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't seem worried either.

Yes, but not being worried is completely different than literally putting your arms behind your head, smiling, and not even watching the fight. Quitela has something up his sleeve.

Originally posted by Inedian
Why did he wanted to help Jiren then?

If he felt anything towards Goku transformation, he wouldn't have attacked.

Toppo was unworried because he was confident in Jiren's ability to win. Quitela being unworried means something entirely different, because both Goku and Jiren are his enemies. Lends credence to the idea that Universe 4 has a secret trump card...

Probably. We will see. If someone out there is more powerful than Jiren, then that means that person is more powerful than Quitela. I doubt that. The only warriors that is missing is the two invisible Nameks and piccolo is stopping them.

The invisible fighters from U4 are Damon and Gamisarasu, and they're bugs, not Namekians.

I doubt they are more powerful than Jiren. I expect Quitela's plan is very simple, his two invisible "fighters" are supposed to simply hide until the tournament is over. After all, you win the tournament not by knocking out your opponents but by having the most members left when time is up.

Regardless, the Rat is up to something.

This episode confirms Jiren is on another level. He destroys Beerus, with ease.