Originally posted by Azronger
On Had Abbadon, in the Deep Core, Krayt confronted Skywalker a second time. But a third Force-user possessed powers that outshone them both. Karness Muur, an ancient Sith spirit, blasted Krayt with overpowering energy, sending him over a cliff to the rocks below.Insider 113
The plural meaning powers seems to refer to technique, not raw power. It's probably talking about Dark Healing, Essence Transfer, Rakghouls and sh!t like that.
Er, Muur possessing powers that outshone them both(which was literally just Force lightning if you try to interpret it that way, which makes no sense if you're going by number of techniques). Doesn't actually have anything to do with the secondary statement there.
Also, Krayt being weakened there is hardly relevant when he still actually has his power, meaning that Krayt's power in general was surpassed.
Nor does that account for the fact that Muur was a mere spirit who didn't even retain the power to free himself and was possessing a host who actively resisted him in Morne. Who was also not powerful enough to free him either.
Prime Muur is an entirely more powerful Sith than his shade ever was.
Originally posted by Azronger
Nope, Ragnos' reign was named the Golden Age of the Sith due to him being a good ruler, not the most powerful in the Force. Greatness =/= power.
A good ruler who held his throne for a century due to his power, physical strength and his political abilities. You're attempting to make a difference where there really isn't one.
Originally posted by Azronger
Given that Sadow and Kressh don't scale to Muur in any way, it's also worthless.
You realise Sadow gets higher praise than Pall, who Muur was one of the Shadow Hands of.
Originally posted by Azronger
So Muur wasn't there, making that also worthless.
Pall was, Muur is at best Pall's equal.
Originally posted by Azronger
It's my favorite term to use when my opponent throws around unquantifiable feats, yeah. Speaking of which, the power of the nexus is still unquantifiable. What you're saying doesn't change that.
Yes it does, you're inferring it isn't a far more impressive inclination of power than Muur has ever had. Which it is, and you clearly have fvck all of an argument to prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Azronger
True, but it's also completely arbitrary and can't be scaled to not just Muur, but any other Star Wars character given that no one else has anything like it. I might as well cite Muur being > Vong Krayt as an implication of power that Ragnos "has absolutely nothing to compare with."
Actually, it's quite similar to what Vitiate and Nihilus did to maintain their power, but on an evidently lesser scale. Oh, and Ragnos does have something comparable to exactly what you've suggested, in that he's the leader of a group of Sith spirits who nearly killed ROTJ Sidious. Given you probably have Sidious shitstomping 20,000 Krayts, that should be kinda significant.
Originally posted by Azronger
Yes, I must be totally desperate, having forced two concessions out of you.
You've forced nothing. 😂
Originally posted by Azronger
It being plural can still mean it refers to raw power lol
It does, because powers means there's more than one, i.e. it's going to be referring to techniques.
As for blasting him with overpowering energy, given the state Krayt was in at the time, and he wasn't even adequately defending himself(and he's just been stabbed) it doesn't mean much.
Originally posted by Trocity
Using your power of healing constantly to maintain your body, if that is what Krayt is doing, while said body is riddled with parasites that dampen ones connection to the Force, probably means he couldn't bring the full brunt of his power to a fight imo.
Which is relevant to being overpowered, not so relevant in a general blanket statement of raw power.
Originally posted by MythLord
It does, because powers means there's more than one, i.e. it's going to be referring to techniques.As for blasting him with overpowering energy, given the state Krayt was in at the time, and he wasn't even adequately defending himself(and he's just been stabbed) it doesn't mean much.
"As you can see, my Jedi powers are far beyond yours. Now, back down."
- Count Dooku, Attack of the Clones
It has been used in the same way before, that being one example.
Besides which:
out·shine
ˌoutˈSHīn/
verb
past tense: outshone; past participle: outshone
shine more brightly than.
be much better than (someone) in a particular area.
"it is a shame when a mother outshines a daughter"
synonyms: surpass, overshadow, eclipse, outclass, put in the shade, upstage, exceed, transcend, top, cap, beat, better; be a cut above, be head and shoulders above, run rings around
Originally posted by AncientPower
Force lightning is a Jedi power?
What other powers did he show to Obi-Wan? I mean, it's stupid writing, but it's writing nonetheless.
Regardless, his powers outshining Krayt can once again just refer to his versatility and knowledge in powers Krayt has never seen or used before, like the Rakghouls, the Dark Healing and the Essence Transfer.
It's a perfectly valid interpretation, and a more likely one given how well Krayt stacked up against Muur despite such delporable circumstances for him. And before you mention Muur being a spirit, we've already established his Talisman contains all his power, so it's not like he's diminished in that area since his old days of Exile.