Since Adam seems to know about laws...please tell me the pronoun thing is wrong. This is not sarcasm, I legit 100% hope I am wrong. Please tell me I misunderstood something. Please tell me there is no possible way to receive any jail time in California for using the wrong pronoun, even if it's used 1,000 times in a row I do not care it doesn't warrant jail time or anything like that.
Hoping I'm wrong here, hopefully you'll tell me I am.
Originally posted by Surtur
Since Adam seems to know about laws...please tell me the pronoun thing is wrong. This is not sarcasm, I legit 100% hope I am wrong. Please tell me I misunderstood something. Please tell me there is no possible way to receive any jail time in California for using the wrong pronoun, even if it's used 1,000 times in a row I do not care it doesn't warrant jail time or anything like that.Hoping I'm wrong here, hopefully you'll tell me I am.
The LGBT Senior Bill of Rights bans long-term care facilities from denying admission to LGBT seniors, or transferring or evicting them on the basis of their sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or HIV status.
Conservative groups, which oppose all LGBT civil rights, allege the bill would send people to jail for using the wrong pronoun to describe transgender residents in a senior home:
"California Proposes Jail Time for Using the Wrong Pronoun for Transgenders," reads a headline from CBNNews.com, part of the Christian Broadcasting Network founded by Pat Robertson, a former Southern Baptist minister.
"California Bill: 1 Year in Jail for Using Wrong Transgender Pronoun," says Breitbart.com.
The bill was featured in August on Fox’s show Tucker Carlson Tonight with the headline "Gender Pronoun Jail Time."
Unsurprisingly, these groups are cramming misleading information into short news headlines, greatly distorting the facts about the use of pronouns or leaving out key information that would have given a different impression.
Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine, but the bar for criminal prosecution would be extremely high.
The bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct against LGBT seniors. So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn’t know what a person’s gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun that is not a violation of the statute.
Willful and repeated violations alone wouldn’t lead to criminal prosecution. Criminal charges would only follow if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm in accordance with state’s existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers.
Conservative media groups wrote misleading and inflammatory headlines about the LGBT Senior Bill of Rights and distorted the penalty proposed for violating part of the bill to, once again, get uninformed conservatives up in arms, so they would oppose LGBT civil rights measures.
Right, just tell me flat out: jail for the wrong pronoun: possible or not? It's a yes or no. The answer should be no, and in any non insane society will be no, so I expect a no. That is what I'm looking for. Just tell me no, you can't ever go to jail under any circumstance for pronoun shit. Tell me there can be no fines either.
I don't need a novel, I need a "No Surtur, not possible under any circumstance to be penalized for using the wrong pronoun". Cuz that's the only non-batshit insane option.
Originally posted by Surtur
Right, just tell me flat out: jail for the wrong pronoun: possible or not? It's a yes or no. The answer should be no, and in any non insane society will be no, so I expect a no. That is what I'm looking for. Just tell me no, you can't ever go to jail under any circumstance for pronoun shit. Tell me there can be no fines either.I don't need a novel, I need a "No Surtur, not possible under any circumstance to be penalized for using the wrong pronoun". Cuz that's the only non-batshit insane option.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct against LGBT seniors. So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn’t know what a person’s gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun that is not a violation of the statute.Willful and repeated violations alone wouldn’t lead to criminal prosecution. Criminal charges would only follow if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm in accordance with state’s existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers.
So Adam, I give two shits about accidentally calling someone something. What I'm saying is even doing it on purpose does not deserve jail time.
Tell me someone doing it on purpose never can receive it. You can include clever pictures if you want, no doubt you'll get a "bingo" out of someone.
You see, it says charges will only be followed if it shows it will cause serious death or risk of harm. Problem is I don't know how dipshits in Cali define that. Are hurt feelings harm?
Like wait, we can solve this right now. Give me an example of using the wrong pronoun causing death or harm. Like how would that work? Thanks in advance for being so helpful.
Originally posted by Surtur
So Adam, I give two shits about accidentally calling someone something. What I'm saying is even doing it on purpose does not deserve jail time.Tell me someone doing it on purpose never can receive it. You can include clever pictures if you want, no doubt you'll get a "bingo" out of someone.
You see, it says charges will only be followed if it shows it will cause serious death or risk of harm. Problem is I don't know how dipshits in Cali define that. Are hurt feelings harm?
Like wait, we can solve this right now. Give me an example of using the wrong pronoun causing death or harm. Like how would that work? Thanks in advance for being so helpful.
I have a serious question. No sarcasm, no underlying motive. Just a straight answer. Why didn't you just create a new topic about this gender topic? This thread has been proven null and void.
Originally posted by Surtur
So Adam, I give two shits about accidentally calling someone something. What I'm saying is even doing it on purpose does not deserve jail time.Tell me someone doing it on purpose never can receive it. You can include clever pictures if you want, no doubt you'll get a "bingo" out of someone.
You see, it says charges will only be followed if it shows it will cause serious death or risk of harm. Problem is I don't know how dipshits in Cali define that. Are hurt feelings harm?
Like wait, we can solve this right now. Give me an example of using the wrong pronoun causing death or harm. Like how would that work? Thanks in advance for being so helpful.
One more time for the folks who cannot read:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Criminal charges would only follow if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm in accordance with state’s existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you serious ? You must have the world's tiniest brain.
How does using the wrong pronoun lead to serious harm or death?
It surely can't be talking about using the wrong pronoun and then physically beating someone down. It's already against the law to beat the shit out of someone. But hey, feel free to give me an example of what is being talked about then.
Originally posted by SurturSo you don't believe emotional damage has ever done anyone harm ? Are you serious ? What planet do you live on.
How does using the wrong pronoun lead to serious harm or death?It surely can't be talking about using the wrong pronoun and then physically beating someone down. It's already against the law to beat the shit out of someone. But hey, feel free to give me an example of what is being talked about then.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't believe emotional damage has ever done anyone harm ? Are you serious ? What planet do you live on.
Okay so you think someone should be penalized and possibly jailed if they use the wrong pronoun on purpose and hurt the feelings of others?
Since sorry, I do not remotely trust the definition of "emotional harm" people in California would have.
Originally posted by SurturAre they jailing people for just that ? Is emotional damage real ? Has anyone ever been affected ?
Okay so you think someone should be penalized and possibly jailed if they use the wrong pronoun on purpose and hurt the feelings of others?Since sorry, I do not remotely trust the definition of "emotional harm" people in California would have.
Lol...hurt feelings is emotional damage, is it not? I know you will say it said "serious" damage, and again: this is California. I do not trust their definition of what would be "serious damage". Because there are tons of snowflakes there. Look at Berkeley, those whiny brats would tell you serious emotional harm has been done to them by conservative speakers.