Originally posted by ares834
Because you realize you're wrong and have no other evidence then a fan wiki.
Awww, another poster who believes that having the last word is winning. But please, continue to focus on the least relevant thing for that phyrric victory you love so much.
That is the lats bit of shit I have to give. Enjoy.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I contest that the flames of the Doom of Valyria did in fact kill every dragon within the freehold, as per World of Ice and Fire.So no, complete fire immunity is patently false, or at the very least only applies to mundane fires such as the funeral pyre. Such a thing wouldn't really apply to mystical flames such as the flame of Udun, which supercede things such as the Thrangorodrim or the fires of Mt Doom. Udun's flame was used to shape even fire creatures such as Smaug and all other Dragons of Arda.
And as I mentioned above, the Balrogs are not small by any stretch, and are actually much more powerfully built if not larger than Drogon, plus the Balrogs all have wings and can fly, as was proven when they chased away Ungoliant.
The Doom of Valyria was a Cataclysm! It was the explosion of a Massive Volcano! The temperatures of such a thing would exceed anything a Balrog could replicate!
I believe that the OP is refering to Durin's Bane here. Who can't fiy. As seen in the fight with Gandalf.
Furthermore, it wasn't a Volcano eruption but an explosion!
The Dragon's Death isn't specify. But i would doubt it was the fire. The explosion would have been MASSIVE, the amounts of smoke and toxic gases would also play a role.
So saying that the Dragon's died merely due to the heat isn't that realistic.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Doom of Valyria was a Cataclysm! It was the explosion of a Massive Volcano! The temperatures of such a thing would exceed anything a Balrog could replicate!I believe that the OP is refering to Durin's Bane here. Who can't fiy. As seen in the fight with Gandalf.
Furthermore, it wasn't a Volcano eruption but an explosion!
The Dragon's Death isn't specify. But i would doubt it was the fire. The explosion would have been MASSIVE, the amounts of smoke and toxic gases would also play a role.
So saying that the Dragon's died merely due to the heat isn't that realistic.
You are wrong. In a lot of ways. Utumno and Angbad/Trangorodrim, which react to Balrogs mean they influence volcanic activity.
And Durin's Bane was one of the Balrogs that chased Ungoliant. Also, it is how the Balrig was able to scale the distance between the pits of Kazad-Dun to the pinnacle of Zirak Zigil.
Also:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Doom_of_Valyria
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_of_Valyria
http://iceandfire.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_of_Valyria
Read these
The poem of the event specifically references how the Dragons died in flame.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You are wrong. In a lot of ways. Utumno and Angbad/Trangorodrim, which react to Balrogs mean they influence volcanic activity.And Durin's Bane was one of the Balrogs that chased Ungoliant. Also, it is how the Balrig was able to scale the distance between the pits of Kazad-Dun to the pinnacle of Zirak Zigil.
Also:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Doom_of_Valyria
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_of_Valyria
http://iceandfire.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_of_ValyriaRead these
The poem of the event specifically references how the Dragons died in flame.
None of LoTR volcano would match that of Valyria. Furthermore, as said before, the Supervolcano exploded. It was a cataclysm not a normal Volcanic Eruption. And Durin's Bane hasn't been depicted controlling Volcanic activity. Not on screen atleast.
No. Durin's Bane couldn't fly as depicted in his fight against Gandalf. Even the several sites have described Durin's Bane wings as mere decorative.
None of the sites you gave say that the Dragons died due to the fire. I read them before and just did now.
As i said before, the Doom of Valyria wasn't an ordinary Volcanic activity. It was a massive explosion. Fire isn't the only factor here, you also need to consider the toxic gases, and the blast produced by such activity.
It's impossible for a Balrog to EVER Immitate such an activity. Even Morgoth himself would have trouble replicating the Doom.
So, again Durin's Bane has no way to harm Drogon.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
None of LoTR volcano would match that of Valyria. Furthermore, as said before, the Supervolcano exploded. It was a cataclysm not a normal Volcanic Eruption. And Durin's Bane hasn't been depicted controlling Volcanic activity. Not on screen atleast.No. Durin's Bane couldn't fly as depicted in his fight against Gandalf. Even the several sites have described Durin's Bane wings as mere decorative.
None of the sites you gave say that the Dragons died due to the fire. I read them before and just did now.
As i said before, the Doom of Valyria wasn't an ordinary Volcanic activity. It was a massive explosion. Fire isn't the only factor here, you also need to consider the toxic gases, and the blast produced by such activity.
It's impossible for a Balrog to EVER Immitate such an activity. Even Morgoth himself would have trouble replicating the Doom.
So, again Durin's Bane has no way to harm Drogon.
Liar.
"They held each other close and turned their backs upon the end.
The hills that split asunder and the black that ate the skies;
The flames that shot so high and hot that even dragons burned ;
Would never be the final sights that fell upon their eyes.
A fly upon a wall, the waves the sea wind whipped and churned —
The city of a thousand years, and all that men had learned;
The Doom consumed it all alike, and neither of them turned"
―Tyrion Lannister and Jorah Mormont, quoting a poem about the Doom
Right on the page.
And you are so very VERY wrong again. Read the Simarilion. Melkor was reshaping Arda constantly, just to mess up the other Valar's efforts.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Liar."They held each other close and turned their backs upon the end.
;
The hills that split asunder and the black that ate the skies;
[b]The flames that shot so high and hot that even dragons burned
Would never be the final sights that fell upon their eyes.
A fly upon a wall, the waves the sea wind whipped and churned —
The city of a thousand years, and all that men had learned;
The Doom consumed it all alike, and neither of them turned"
―Tyrion Lannister and Jorah Mormont, quoting a poem about the DoomRight on the page.
And you are so very VERY wrong again. Read the Simarilion. Melkor was reshaping Arda constantly, just to mess up the other Valar's efforts. [/B]
That's a poem! It is metaphorical and not literal!
Description of the Doom of Valyria :
On the day of the Doom, every hill for five hundred miles exploded, filling the air with ash and smoke and fire, which killed even dragons.[COLOR] Earthquakes destroyed palaces, temples, and towns, while lakes boiled or turned to acid. The Fourteen Flames, the fiery mountains of Valyria, sent molten rock a thousand feet into the air, and red clouds rained down dragonglass. The cataclysm fragmented the Valyrian peninsula surrounding Valyria into numerous smaller islands and creating the Smoking Sea between them.[5] East of Valyria, Velos and Ghozai on the Isle of Cedars were destroyed by a tsunami.[6]
It is commonly believed that the Doom was a natural calamity caused by the eruption of the Fourteen Flames, although some septons believe the polytheistic Valyrians delved too deep to the seven hells. Alternatively, Septon Barth and some maesters believe that Valyrian spells controlling the Fourteen Flames faltered. Other explanations include the curse of Garin the Great, the fire of R'hllor, or infighting dragonlords assassinating fire mages.
/\ That is what you should be reading and taking literal, not the Poem! How the dragons died exactly isn't described! So you they didn't necessary died to the flames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs
That is the explosion of a Volcano in New Guinea, whose size isn't that big, but you can already see how powerful that eruption/explosion was!
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/whats-the-most-dangerous-volcano-in-the-world/all/
Here is the list of the Biggest/Most dangerous super volcanoes on Earth! Yellowstone Caldera is #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsUkEMgLY0U
https://www.livescience.com/20714-yellowstone-supervolcano-eruption.html
Here is a simulated eruption/explosion of the Yellowstone Caldera! Along with an scientific article to explain how destructive such an eruption would be!
Such an explosion would only be rivaled by a couple of Nukes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
Here is Yellowstone Caldera's size, being of 45 miles the most.
NOW IMAGINE A 500MILE EXPLOSION/ERUPTION!
So it's clear you are not talking about a normal thing! Such explosion would be massive. The amounts of fumes and gases released..Unimaginable! The amount of rocks and objects being casted a the sky would bring down any flying creature! The water sources would evaporate!
Again, Dragons didn't just died to normal flames!
[COLOR=crimson] Morgoth could mold the landscape! He mainly molded the Middle Earth Landscape as depicted in the Silmariliion. However he has never replicated an explosion the size of 500miles! So no.
Again i don't see a Balrog being able to kill a dragon. No real evidence.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Liar."They held each other close and turned their backs upon the end.
;
The hills that split asunder and the black that ate the skies;
[b]The flames that shot so high and hot that even dragons burned
Would never be the final sights that fell upon their eyes.
A fly upon a wall, the waves the sea wind whipped and churned —
The city of a thousand years, and all that men had learned;
The Doom consumed it all alike, and neither of them turned"
―Tyrion Lannister and Jorah Mormont, quoting a poem about the DoomRight on the page.
And you are so very VERY wrong again. Read the Simarilion. Melkor was reshaping Arda constantly, just to mess up the other Valar's efforts. [/B]
That's a poem! It is metaphorical and not literal!
Description of the Doom of Valyria :
On the day of the Doom, every hill for five hundred miles exploded, filling the air with ash and smoke and fire, which killed even dragons. Earthquakes destroyed palaces, temples, and towns, while lakes boiled or turned to acid. The Fourteen Flames, the fiery mountains of Valyria, sent molten rock a thousand feet into the air, and red clouds rained down dragonglass. The cataclysm fragmented the Valyrian peninsula surrounding Valyria into numerous smaller islands and creating the Smoking Sea between them.[5] East of Valyria, Velos and Ghozai on the Isle of Cedars were destroyed by a tsunami.[6]
It is commonly believed that the Doom was a natural calamity caused by the eruption of the Fourteen Flames, although some septons believe the polytheistic Valyrians delved too deep to the seven hells. Alternatively, Septon Barth and some maesters believe that Valyrian spells controlling the Fourteen Flames faltered. Other explanations include the curse of Garin the Great, the fire of R'hllor, or infighting dragonlords assassinating fire mages.
/\ That is what you should be reading and taking literal, not the Poem! How the dragons died exactly isn't described! So you they didn't necessary died to the flames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs
That is the explosion of a Volcano in New Guinea, whose size isn't that big, but you can already see how powerful that eruption/explosion was!
http://www.iflscience.com/environme...-the-world/all/
Here is the list of the Biggest/Most dangerous super volcanoes on Earth! Yellowstone Caldera is #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsUkEMgLY0U
https://www.livescience.com/20714-y...o-eruption.html
Here is a simulated eruption/explosion of the Yellowstone Caldera! Along with an scientific article to explain how destructive such an eruption would be!
Such an explosion would only be rivaled by a couple of Nukes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
Here is Yellowstone Caldera's size, being of 45 miles the most.
NOW IMAGINE A 500MILE EXPLOSION/ERUPTION!
So it's clear you are not talking about a normal thing! Such explosion would be massive. The amounts of fumes and gases released..Unimaginable! The amount of rocks and objects being casted a the sky would bring down any flying creature! The water sources would evaporate!
Again, Dragons didn't just died to normal flames!
Morgoth could mold the landscape! He mainly molded the Middle Earth Landscape as depicted in the Silmariliion. However he has never replicated an explosion the size of 500miles! So no.
Again i don't see a Balrog being able to kill a dragon. No real evidence.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
That's a poem! It is metaphorical and not literal![B] Description of the Doom of Valyria
:On the day of the Doom, every hill for five hundred miles exploded, filling the air with ash and smoke and fire, which killed even dragons.[COLOR] Earthquakes destroyed palaces, temples, and towns, while lakes boiled or turned to acid. The Fourteen Flames, the fiery mountains of Valyria, sent molten rock a thousand feet into the air, and red clouds rained down dragonglass. The cataclysm fragmented the Valyrian peninsula surrounding Valyria into numerous smaller islands and creating the Smoking Sea between them.[5] East of Valyria, Velos and Ghozai on the Isle of Cedars were destroyed by a tsunami.[6]
It is commonly believed that the Doom was a natural calamity caused by the eruption of the Fourteen Flames, although some septons believe the polytheistic Valyrians delved too deep to the seven hells. Alternatively, Septon Barth and some maesters believe that Valyrian spells controlling the Fourteen Flames faltered. Other explanations include the curse of Garin the Great, the fire of R'hllor, or infighting dragonlords assassinating fire mages./\ That is what you should be reading and taking literal, not the Poem! How the dragons died exactly isn't described! So you they didn't necessary died to the flames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs
That is the explosion of a Volcano in New Guinea, whose size isn't that big, but you can already see how powerful that eruption/explosion was!
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/whats-the-most-dangerous-volcano-in-the-world/all/
Here is the list of the Biggest/Most dangerous super volcanoes on Earth! Yellowstone Caldera is #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsUkEMgLY0U
https://www.livescience.com/20714-yellowstone-supervolcano-eruption.html
Here is a simulated eruption/explosion of the Yellowstone Caldera! Along with an scientific article to explain how destructive such an eruption would be!
Such an explosion would only be rivaled by a couple of Nukes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
Here is Yellowstone Caldera's size, being of 45 miles the most.
NOW IMAGINE A 500MILE EXPLOSION/ERUPTION!
So it's clear you are not talking about a normal thing! Such explosion would be massive. The amounts of fumes and gases released..Unimaginable! The amount of rocks and objects being casted a the sky would bring down any flying creature! The water sources would evaporate!
Again, Dragons didn't just died to normal flames!
[COLOR=crimson] Morgoth could mold the landscape! He mainly molded the Middle Earth Landscape as depicted in the Silmariliion. However he has never replicated an explosion the size of 500miles! So no.
Again i don't see a Balrog being able to kill a dragon. No real evidence. [/B]
Ignore this post, I made a color mistake and they didn't allow me to edit it, so i just corrected it in another reply beneath that one.