Originally posted by Foxsteak
No, no, no, no, no. Old conservative men are the hypocrites. They're so Islamophobic yet, not all Muslims are terrorists and 1000 years ago, Christians did crusades.
LOL.
The classic crusade argument. What makes it even more funny, even putting the fact that is an obviously out of date example, is that the first crusade was called as a Christian retaliation to Muslim aggression in Turkey, Iberia and elsewhere, iirc.
Originally posted by RHaggis
LOL.The classic crusade argument. What makes it even more funny, even putting the fact that is an obviously out of date example, is that the first crusade was called as a Christian retaliation to Muslim aggression in Turkey, Iberia and elsewhere, iirc.
Indeed, and when people do legit use the crusades thing though...it is also all kinds of hilarious. If you need to dip back to the Crusades to find something bad Christians did in comparison to Islam...there is a problem.
On top of that, you really wouldn't have to go back all the way to the crusades to find abhorrent Christian behavior. So it's more just being lazy, shouting "crusades!" is the new "racism!" shout.
I love shoeonhead's vids on Feminism...
Originally posted by RHaggis
The thing is, the third wave aren't merely "recognising the mistakes" of the movement, they are creating them from thin air. As DMB already highlighted, they made the second wave out to be racist with no actual backing for this. They just assumed that since a lot of them were white woman then surely it must be racist, right?Instead of building off of what the past incarnations of feminism have done they're turning around and spitting on it. While simultaneously conjuring up other stupid bullshit like manspreading or mansplaining to complain about while women in third world countries genuinely suffer from proper sexism.
There were many feminists who excluded black women, just as they were many civil rights fighters who excluded black women from their push for equality.
Originally posted by Foxsteak
Just for clarity's sake, I was saying that the atheist movement, like the science industry, was dominated by men. When women went onto the scene, social issues such as race and sexism (which of course has roots in le evil christianity) were brought about despite the appeal of the movement being atheists can't into science.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Discrimination was absolutely a problem with earlier feminists movements, as it was with literally any social movement ever.There were many feminists who excluded black women, just as they were many civil rights fighters who excluded black women from their push for equality.
The African-American Civil Rights Movement faced accusations of being un-American, so it barred from participation other groups deemed un-American, including Communists and homosexuals, even though the original organizer of the movement was himself both a Communist and a homosexual. In fact, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was strategically chosen to replace him, because he was a Christian pastor, which would make it difficult for opponents to criticize him. The movement continued to accept his contributions—he continued to organize actions behind the scenes, and he wrote some of Dr. MLK, Jr.'s speeches—while not allowing people like him to participate.
Similarly, the Women's Liberation Movement faced accusations of hating men, so it barred from participation Lesbians, who were also seen as hating men.
It is called political expediency, but in life, people are often faced with the choice of being right or doing what works, and often times, doing what works means picking the battles they can win.