My only point was to contradict Emperordmb's notion that we get our Natural rights because of religion and not secular notions. They may have been religious people that came up with them, but that's not the same as them coming about because of religion. Religion was the only game in town, so of course these notions came from religious people. But they are notions that are straying from the conventional religious notions at the time. Like you said, deism seems a natural progression from the traditional theism of a personal and involved Creator.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
My only point was to contradict Emperordmb's notion that we get our Natural rights because of religion and not secular notions. They may have been religious people that came up with them, but that's not the same as them coming about because of religion. Religion was the only game in town, so of course these notions came from religious people. But they are notions that are straying from the conventional religious notions at the time. Like you said, deism seems a natural progression from the traditional theism of a personal and involved Creator.
TBH I'm not going to argue semantics nor press you any longer. I guess I grew kinda lazy for longer debates.....
Anyways, I see your point. And I kinda see Emperor's point too.
Originally posted by Stigma
Thanks 👆 It's going to be a great World Cup.BTW I just skimmed through the forums lately. I am not up to date, but I saw California was damaged heavily by bush fires. Hope you're OK.
Yeah, had a serious string of fires about 40miles North of me, so I just got a lot of shit smoke. thanks
Originally posted by socool8520
The basic commandments or all of them? It's a vague question.
There is a difference between laws influenced by religious beliefs, and laws taken directly from a religious book and inserted into legal system.
Again. I feel like we're arguing semantics..
But as a hint I would point out the Separation of Church and State that was (is) operating in Christendom.
Originally posted by Stigma
Cool 👆TBH I'm not going to argue semantics nor press you any longer. I guess I grew kinda lazy for longer debates.....
Anyways, I see your point. And I kinda see Emperor's point too.
It just annoys me when people try to say that the US is a "Christian nation" because the founding fathers believed in God and knew the Bible. Religion was the only game in town. But they established a secular nation, precisely not to establish any particular religion and that's a big reason why the US has flourished like it has.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh, Christians don't solve world problems? You mean like every one of our presidents ever, the people who founded our country, some of our greatest civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. (who was a Christian minister), most of the people who have fought and died in wars for the US, a lot of the Christians I know who regularly donate to charity or help distribute food and clothes to poor and homeless people. But yeah no, we're all just a bunch of bloviating jackasses who care only for preaching.
And as you've touched upon, Christianity has been vested way more power than aitheism has. Hence if you want to obligate someone to solve problems in the world, it should be Christians.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd criticize a Christian who spent most of their ideological time bitching about atheism just as harshly.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Absolutely nothing you've said has to do with the specific beliefs of Christianity, just values you can get from or without religion, hence Christianity isn't necessary for the discussion.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Except b!tching about Aitheism is exactly what you're doing.
1. I'm not bitching about atheism as a whole no, I'm bitching about a subset of atheists.
2. Unlike several atheists who make shitting on religion the focus of their ideological pursuit and don't have their priorities straight (which is what I was complaining about), I focus a lot more criticism on certain political and philosophical ideologies that are significantly more harmful than what anyone could drum up either Christianity or atheism to be if they tried.
3. Nice self-censorship, couldn't bring yourself to type the actual word?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah and what can you cite the good that atheists do that is specific to a lack of belief in God by that token?
Aithiesm is simply the lack of religious belief and hence any decision that's ever been made in spite of or regardless of religious belief is a result of making policy on atheistic rather than religious grounds.
The weakening influence of religious belief has done us good, and that is despite the religious wielding far greater political power and resources than the non-religious over the course of history.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
2. Unlike several atheists who make shitting on religion the focus of their ideological pursuit and don't have their priorities straight (which is what I was complaining about), I focus a lot more criticism on certain political and philosophical ideologies that are significantly more harmful than what anyone could drum up either Christianity or atheism to be if they tried.
Brining up these unrelated problems is just a silly way to deflect from the problems that religion still causes us as a society.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
3. Nice self-censorship, couldn't bring yourself to type the actual word?
That's relevant.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
virtually all scientific and societal progress has been made possible by a separation from religious belief as a source of reason. If religion had it's way we'd still think the earth was at the center of the universe, systematically wipe out Muslims, and wrap up gay people in cigarettes before setting them aflame.Aithiesm is simply the lack of religious belief and hence any decision that's ever been made in spite of or regardless of religious belief is a result of making policy on atheistic rather than religious grounds.
The weakening influence of religious belief has done us good, and that is despite the religious wielding far greater political power and resources than the non-religious over the course of history.
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
In the last three pages I've only seen 2 different memes in this thread about memes.Title is misleading. 2/10. Unsubscribed.
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Well, the thread was really just a troll attempt by Fly. So you can't really expect much out of that.