Anti-Atheist Memes (just to be fair) · Religion Forum

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Or maybe Christians should focus less on preaching Christianity than they do actually solving word problems which have nothing to do with Christian faith?

Oh, Christians don't solve world problems? You mean like every one of our presidents ever, the people who founded our country, some of our greatest civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. (who was a Christian minister), most of the people who have fought and died in wars for the US, a lot of the Christians I know who regularly donate to charity or help distribute food and clothes to poor and homeless people. But yeah no, we're all just a bunch of bloviating jackasses who care only for preaching.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
But nah, leave it to religious people to try and shame atheists for not solving problems they have far more power and resources to solve than atheists do. Problems that are possibly more attributable to religious imposition, then a criticism of religion.

I'd criticize a Christian who spent most of their ideological time bitching about atheism just as harshly.

Patient_Leech Perfect Organism

The inalienable rights came about with a more secular approach. Not a religious one. Just because the "Creator" is involved it's still a secular understanding. If religious authorities were establishing rights they would probably deem it appropriate for people to be tortured as heretics for blasphemy. Natural rights would start disintegrating left and right.

So like I said, you'll have to do a lot of work to convince me that religion established inalienable rights. They were established despite religion.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

I always thought Atheism is the religion of memes. /shrug 😉

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The inalienable rights came about with a more secular approach. Not a religious one.. Just because the "Creator" is involved it's still a secular understanding

Elaborate?

socool8520 Life's a garden, Dig it

^ As opposed to a bunch of fairy tales? lol

Patient_Leech Perfect Organism

Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
There's a reason that we've progressed as our society has become more secular and has [become] less reliant on the church for the decisions we make.

The very fact that the founding fathers did not make any official establishment of religion. That is by definition secular.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by socool8520
^ As opposed to a bunch of fairy tales? lol

Um...no need to get triggered by my remark. C'mon now, there are more serious matters at hand.

I am actually interested how Leech will elaborate his position given that he made a few interesting claims.

EDIT:

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The very fact that the founding fathers did not make any official establishment of religion. That is by definition secular.

Oh, I see. But you still need to elaborate on a few things from your post to make it clear. A few spring to mind like:

- Why invoke the Creator as the one giving the rights, though?

- What is *the Creator* in the secular worldview?

- Are spiritual/religious views influencing political doctrines or not?

etc.

socool8520 Life's a garden, Dig it

Originally posted by Stigma
Um...no need to get triggered by my remark. C'mon now, there aare more serious matters at hand.
I am actually interested how Leech will elaborate his position given that he made a few interesting claims.

No more triggered then your remark.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by socool8520
No more triggered then your remark.

Right....

Anyways. No matter.

Patient_Leech Perfect Organism

Originally posted by Stigma
Oh, I see. But you still need to elaborate on a few things from your post to make it clear. A few spring to mind like:
- Why invoke the Creator as the one giving the rights, though?
- What is *the Creator* in the secular worldview?
- Are spiritual/religious views influencing political doctrines or not?
etc.

Because that's the way everyone thought. Darwin hadn't come around yet to push God out of the picture, lol. It's still a more secular understanding than taking laws directly from the Bible or whatever holy book like a theocracy, which is of course not what the founding fathers wanted. Therefore they were intentionally establishing a secular nation.

socool8520 Life's a garden, Dig it

Originally posted by Stigma
Right....
Anyways. No matter.

cool beans

Robtard Senor Member

Get real, Jefferson created his own Bible by copy/pasting out the less crazy parts, leaving out all the magiks. This guy at best was a Deist, possibly even a proto-athiest

Patient_Leech Perfect Organism

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Because that's the way everyone thought.

So..... you mean it was their religious beliefs that made them invoke the Creator as the giver of the unalienable rights.

Great 👆

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Darwin hadn't come around yet to push God out of the picture, lol.

Is this an argument "had they known X they would probably believe Y" ? If so, you should elaborate on that. (BTW don't do that, it's impossible to prove, therefore inconsequential remark of yours)

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's still a more secular understanding than taking laws directly from the Bible or whatever holy book like a theocracy, which is of course not what the founding fathers wanted

Genuine question:
Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by Robtard
Get real, Jefferson created his own Bible by copy/pasting out the less crazy parts, leaving out all the magiks. This guy at best was a Deist, possibly even a proto-athiest

Actually, my point. 👆

He was heavily influenced by spiritual/religious views.

Deism =/= (proto-)Atheism

socool8520 Life's a garden, Dig it

Originally posted by Stigma

Genuine question:
Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Many of the Biblical rules aren't exclusive to the Bible though.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Stigma
Actually, my point. 👆
He was heavily influenced by spiritual/religious views.
Deism =/= (proto-)Atheism

TBF, I just made up "proto-Athiest", cos it sounded cool.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, I just made up "proto-Athiest", cos it sounded cool.

It does sound cool👆

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by socool8520
Many of the Biblical rules aren't exclusive to the Bible though.

Sure thing.

But...my question was: Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Just curious. I have my suspicions, though.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Stigma
It does sound cool👆

Read that Poland recently qualified for the World Cup. Kudos 👆

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by Robtard
Read that Poland recently qualified for the World Cup. Kudos 👆

Thanks 👆 It's going to be a great World Cup.

BTW I just skimmed through the forums lately. I am not up to date, but I saw California was damaged heavily by bush fires. Hope you're OK.