Can Surfer Blasting power hurt Superman??

Started by abhilegend6 pages

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
and?

And?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Clearly Surfer cleaves to the outside of the ship.


He is inside the ship in the second panel as he himself says that they need to cleave the ship. Not to mention its not shown as a durability feat.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Clearly Surfer cleaves to the outside of the ship.

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Abhi doesn't understand clear cut scans.

When it says that "we must cleave to the ship", it simply meant that they must hang on tight to the ship (according to artistic perspective.)

If there were no pictures however, it would mean that they were to become one with the ship. The artist seems to have been unable to perfectly reproduce what the writer intended.

Cleave both means 'to cut completely through' and 'to cling to'. You only use 'cleave to' in the second sense, to cling on to something.

So he clung on to Galactus' ship.

Originally posted by Smurph
Cleave both means 'to cut through' and 'to cling to'. You only use 'cleave to' in the second sense, to cling on to something.

So he clung on to Galactus' ship.

It also means to become one with.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And?
He is inside the ship in the second panel as he himself says that they need to cleave the ship. Not to mention its not shown as a durability feat.

He says “cleaves to”:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cleave%20to

He is on the outside of the ship cleaving to it. He is too small to see in that panel. Tell me exactly why it is not shown as a durability feat.

Originally posted by Stoic
It also means to become one with.
It means to become closely attached, which could be taken to the step of becoming one with, or just to stick closely to something, like a firm grasp or glue.

It's a weird word for this situation. /srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
And?

And then?

The answer is no, Surfer cant do more than stagger Superman at best.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He says “cleaves to”:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cleave%20to

He is on the outside of the ship cleaving to it. He is too small to see in that panel. Tell me exactly why it is not shown as a durability feat.


Because it wasn't shown that way. Superman has actually survived the big crunch in Where is thy sting. Do I start using that as a durability parameter?

Being that it’s an illusion, no.

Death said it was no illusion, so no.

the ss feat seems....not terribly impressive depicted the way it was. seems they just rode it out under the protection of the ship somehow. at the very least it's pretty ambiguous. even the way the speech bubble breaks up in that second panel seems to allude to the idea that he is in the ship...somehow. i wouldn't be comfortable touting that as a durability feat, but what do i know? /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Death said it was no illusion, so no.

Death doesn’t say that. Death gives an cryptically ambiguous “perhaps”.

Originally posted by leonidas
the ss feat seems....not terribly impressive depicted the way it was. seems they just rode it out under the protection of the ship somehow. at the very least it's pretty ambiguous. even the way the speech bubble breaks up in that second panel seems to allude to the idea that he is in the ship...somehow. i wouldn't be comfortable touting that as a durability feat, but what do i know? /shrug

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
Death doesn’t say that. Death gives an cryptically ambiguous “perhaps”.

Incorrect as always.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Incorrect as always.

Not sure how “psychological demons” makes your point. It’s in his head. Everything in that scan is as I described.

Surfer is clearly outside the ship hanging on to it. Nowhere does it state that he is protected by it.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not sure how “psychological demons” makes your point. It’s in his head. Everything in that scan is as I described.

Surfer is clearly outside the ship hanging on to it. Nowhere does it state that he is protected by it.

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Surfer was clearly outside the ship there. But that's not what this thread I'd about

Originally posted by Smurph
No, the question isn't "would", but "could". Using high end showings of Surfer's blasts against an average Superman is fair game.

Put another way, answering this question as "Surfer could not hurt Superman with blasts" sounds dumb AF. Surfer [b]can output blast power well above what has harmed Superman.

This is a ridiculously low bar for any high herald to reach. [/B]

I disagree. Characters operate at different levels of power at different times. To assume otherwise, or that all feats of a character are consistent, is asinine.

Surfer, and other characters, have blasted with all their might at different times at totally different and inconsistent levels of power. In general, Surfer can’t affect his peers well with his blasts. In other words, Surfer’s blasts are fodder against high herald level characters and above.

In summary, Surfer’s high end blasts are due to comic inconsistency and not due to his intentions.

Operator did a good job dissecting the Death showing. Wish I could find his post.