Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWatch the beginning of FotR. You're welcome. Amazon is not topping that and they know it.
I have watched it.. What we could get is more of it with more backstory. Amazon could definitely top it if they throw enough money and talented people at it.
But you're probably right, if it happens, it likely won't compare. I'm still reeling with what they did with the Wheel of Time series.
Originally posted by Robtard
I have watched it.. What we could get is more of it with more backstory. Amazon could definitely top it if they throw enough money and talented people at it.But you're probably right, if it happens, it likely won't compare. I'm still reeling with what they did with the Wheel of Time series.
See, it's the "backstory" I'm concerned about.
What we know so far? That the show is gonna be full with filler-type characters entirely made up by Amazon. Diverse cast for no other reason than to appeal to SJW fanatics.
Getting all of the rights from the Tolkien Estate is next to impossible... and they don't want to touch Peter Jackson's work, as they know damn well they can't match any of it. They want to be considered "canon-adjacent" to it, if possible.
Jackson had the luxury of working with the dream-cast that devoted their hearts to it, back when the Internet wasn't widely available.
Amazon just wants to get more money for the already richest creature in the world with no soul.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
See, it's the "backstory" I'm concerned about.What we know so far? That the show is gonna be full with filler-type characters entirely made up by Amazon. Diverse cast for no other reason than to appeal to SJW fanatics.
Getting all of the rights from the Tolkien Estate is next to impossible... and they don't want to touch Peter Jackson's work, as they know damn well they can't match any of it. They want to be considered "canon-adjacent" to it, if possible.
Jackson had the luxury of working with the dream-cast that devoted their hearts to it, back when the Internet wasn't widely available.
Amazon just wants to get more money for the already richest creature in the world with no soul.
Come on now, is a darker skinned guy playing an elf really a problem? I'd be concerned about the acting skills of the actors and the writing being good than aesthetics like skin color or gender.
Just odd whenever there's not White actors cast, it's somehow automatically "SJW" stuff. What if the brown skinned guy just nailed the role during casting?
eg Look at The Wheel of Time series, cast with several people who could barely act, was poorly written and it had nothing to do with "SJW" appeal.
I have no problem with new/original story being mixed in as long as it's A) flows well with the LoTR theme and B) it's good to great writing.
I'm no fan of Bezos, but if this turns out to be dirty ass, I'll stop watching, it's that easy. We live in a time where there's an over abundance of television to watch.
It is a problem. Tolkien went very deep into the lore of the elves and a black elf does not fit within it. If they wanted black characters, there are plenty of ways of doing it and keeping it within Tolkien’s established world. But that would be slightly more difficult so they just went with the easy way out.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That is correct. It's hardly news. Peter Jackson had the same problem.That's why they're introducing plenty of "extras" such as that black dwarf queen and Isildur's sister and so on.
The difference is, Jackson actually had the the rights to the vast bulk of what he was adapting.
Originally posted by Robtard
Come on now, is a darker skinned guy playing an elf really a problem? I'd be concerned about the acting skills of the actors and the writing being good than aesthetics like skin color or gender.Just odd whenever there's not White actors cast, it's somehow automatically "SJW" stuff. What if the brown skinned guy just nailed the role during casting?
eg Look at The Wheel of Time series, cast with several people who could barely act, was poorly written and it had nothing to do with "SJW" appeal.
I have no problem with new/original story being mixed in as long as it's A) flows well with the LoTR theme and B) it's good to great writing.
I'm no fan of Bezos, but if this turns out to be dirty ass, I'll stop watching, it's that easy. We live in a time where there's an over abundance of television to watch.
Don't forget about the clean-shaven dwarf queen looking like Amanda Waller facepalm
It is a problem when it feels forced. And keep in mind I'm complaining about Isildur's sister, too.
For the record, Jackson also added some characters that never appeared in the books, but he was quite subtle about it.
Originally posted by ares834
It is a problem. Tolkien went very deep into the lore of the elves and a black elf does not fit within it. If they wanted black characters, there are plenty of ways of doing it and keeping it within Tolkien’s established world. But that would be slightly more difficult so they just went with the easy way out.The difference is, Jackson actually had the the rights to the vast bulk of what he was adapting.
^ He did, but he was also missing Silmarillion and other works... that's why his version of Gandalf "forgot" the names of blue wizards in An Unexpected Journey, for example.
Sure. But my point is that he at least had the material for what he was adapting and not only a small portion of it like is the case for this show. Now they were always going to have to make a good deal of fanfic for a Second Age show, but without the Sil they're going to have to make up (and contradict) far more than I initially thought.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget about the clean-shaven dwarf queen looking like Amanda Waller facepalmIt is a problem when it feels forced. And keep in mind I'm complaining about Isildur's sister, too.
For the record, Jackson also added some characters that never appeared in the books, but he was quite subtle about it.
While I personally would have liked to see a bearded female dwarf, that again isn't something that will break the show.
Again, I'm okay with those additions as long as it flows with LoTR themes and the end product is good to great, just like Jackson's vision was.
Come Sept I'm walking into this as "inspired by LoRT", not a verbatim adaptation of Tolkein's works. Join me, lets walk into this together, friend Stilt 🙂
Though in an ideal world, some huge company like Netflix, Amazon, HBO gets the full rights to Tolkien's works and they do a long multi-season top-tier animated series that is fully faithful to the writings. That would be epic and I'd probably jizz while watching it.
Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But my point is that he at least had the material for what he was adapting and not only a small portion of it like is the case for this show. Now they were always going to have to make a good deal of fanfic for a Second Age show, but without the Sil they're going to have to make up (and contradict) far more than I initially thought.
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So far, the amount of "filler" type of characters is... worrying, to say the least. And safe to say that's just the beginning.
Originally posted by Robtard
While I personally would have liked to see a bearded female dwarf, that again isn't something that will break the show.Again, I'm okay with those additions as long as it flows with LoTR themes and the end product is good to great, just like Jackson's vision was.
Come Sept I'm walking into this as "inspired by LoRT", not a verbatim adaptation of Tolkein's works. Join me, lets walk into this together, friend Stilt 🙂
Though in an ideal world, some huge company like Netflix, Amazon, HBO gets the full rights to Tolkien's works and they do a long multi-season top-tier animated series that is fully faithful to the writings. That would be epic and I'd probably jizz while watching it.
It's "seven rings for the Dwarf-lords".
Not "Amanda Waller gets thrown by Superman so fast, she lands in Middle-Earth".
In an ideal world, Peter Jackson would be involved in this. At least in some way.
He's not:
https://www.nme.com/blogs/tv-blogs/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-release-date-plot-cast-2170413
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Originally posted by -Pr-
I know it's just a trailer, but I really don't think it's encouraging at all. I hope the actual show is better.
You're one of those quiet, shy LotR fans.
What are your honest thoughts on the matter?
We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit. And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're one of those quiet, shy LotR fans.What are your honest thoughts on the matter?
We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit. And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.
I can't claim to have read everything Tolkien wrote, but I feel like I've read enough by this point to not be very encouraged by it. From what I heard, they've already messed up The Wheel of Time, and if it's true what I've heard about this (condensing a thousand years worth of stories in to a short period, moving characters around to suit it etc), I'm not encouraged.
Jackson had to do the same thing (adapting the story to an extent to fit the project), so there's always the chance it'll be good, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Jackson worked in subtle ways, I'd say.
And I'm gonna quote Ares:
Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But my point is that he at least had the material for what he was adapting and not only a small portion of it like is the case for this show. Now they were always going to have to make a good deal of fanfic for a Second Age show, but without the Sil they're going to have to make up (and contradict) far more than I initially thought.
PS. Good job on the sig.