Superman vs Fenris/Hulk

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is every Knian brought back to life by the mother box ? Nah.

That was a controlled environment of him pulling something. The leviathan was moving towards the Hulk and the tower was moving towards Superman. Durability isn't the same thing here. Hulk gets thrown through buildings as well.

Exaggerations. The world engine feat is massively overblown. Provide the clips so I can educate you.

Hulk's strength changed that which is my point despite the huge weight advantage in the Leviathan's favor. Strength only.

Fiction is inconsistent and always has been. You trying to make sense of it all is hilarious though. You need to prove it.

That and his strength feats. It's just another case in point. I said he has the strength feats and his muscles are clearly bigger. When you don't lift your muscles get amaller. You tried denying that.

Speculation. He didn't stop doomsday and was defeated by the nuke and needed a sun amp whereas Doomsday was fine and recovered on his own.

Point is Superman can't solo the Justice league he can't even beat Batman. Glad you agree and superman never wants to kill. Huge point in my favor.

False, and this wasn't too fast for Batman to deal with. Quit avoiding a slower human is fast enough to react to Superman. Cyborg was also fast enough to attack Superman so quit avoiding all the other showings that contradict your cbr spin on this debate.

Flash wasn't a fighter and was so raw with his owners he tripped over the environment.

He will have greater strength since we see that right after transformation against the Leviathan. He also had two years of more experience being the Hulk in Thor Ragnarok. False, he will avoid some but he will eventually get hit and the tide will turn. He lacks Thor's skill. Iron Man also had flight and Hulk dealt with it just fine just as Doomsday has. Your powerset debating is awful and ignores how these characters fight in the films. Conjecture nonsense.

Whar does that have to do with anything? Superman's powers weren't affected by the motherbox.

Lmao, the Arctic and an Apokolips-ravaged city are not controlled environments.

No, it's not. The World Engine beam was flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the planet. We saw this. Yet Superman overpowered it while he was weakened. That shits all over Hulk's Leviathan feat. You know what scenes I'm talking about, don't play dumb.

Yes, Hulk's strength redirected it. Pretty meh. Good thing Tony was there to save Captain America and Black Widow.

Not an argument.

Thor has smaller muscles and he has matched a raging Hulk.

Hulk is no Doomsday. He couldn't even take a strong punch from Iron Man. A nuke would kill him.

He just did. Good thing Lois was there to save Bruce.

Watch the movie. Superman easily caught up with Flash more than once. Yes, Batman is fast enough to tag a depowered Superman. There's no Kryptonite in this fight, however. Cyborg tagged a Superman that wasn't trying to dodge. Again, Flash being inexperienced doesn't affect his raw reflexes.

Oh, so Hulk's strength can randomly grow (not talking about rage amping), but Superman's is static? Double standards. Thor has 0 H2H skill, so that means exactly jack shit. I don't care if he beat some SHIELD jobbers, he's never beat a credible opponent in his solo movies or the Avengers movies.

Even if Hulk manages to tag Superman (extremely unlikely) so what? Superman's durability shits all over anyone Hulk has ever fought, he can take a few punches and keep fighting. How many Superman punches at super speed can Hulk take before he goes to sleep? Not many considering Iron Man laid him out. Doomsday could fly and had ranged attacks of his own, fool. Plus, Superman's attacks were amping him. Iron Man wasn't even trying to fight Hulk half the time and he still beat his b*tch ass.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Whar does that have to do with anything? Superman's powers weren't affected by the motherbox.

Lmao, the Arctic and an Apokolips-ravaged city are not controlled environments.

No, it's not. The World Engine beam was flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the planet. We saw this. Yet Superman overpowered it while he was weakened. That shits all over Hulk's Leviathan feat. You know what scenes I'm talking about, don't play dumb.

Yes, Hulk's strength redirected it. Pretty meh. Good thing Tony was there to save Captain America and Black Widow.

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Yes, it is. Lois survived and taking down buildings isn't impressive. Marvel characters can do so as well but they tend to focus on collateral damage and aren't as reckless as Superman. Provide the clip so I can time stamp and walk you through this since you obviously lack the intelligence to understand it.

So the Leviathan feat is meh while Superman was ko'd by a tower. 😂

Not an argument.

Thor has smaller muscles and he has matched a raging Hulk.

Hulk is no Doomsday. He couldn't even take a strong punch from Iron Man. A nuke would kill him.

He just did. Good thing Lois was there to save Bruce.[/B]

He wasn't paying attention but Superman was ko'd by a tower and muscle strain. I explained the context and nothing is as bad as a tower and muscle strain koing you to the point Aquaman had to save him from drowning. 😂

Bruce always had her in play because he knows how to work Superman. He's weak and Bruce knows what buttons to press.

Watch the movie. Superman easily caught up with Flash more than once. Yes, Batman is fast enough to tag a depowered Superman. There's no Kryptonite in this fight, however. Cyborg tagged a Superman that wasn't trying to dodge. Again, Flash being inexperienced doesn't affect his raw reflexes.

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So now when he gets hit he isn't trying to dodge. Your bias is appalling. Every example of him being tagged you ignore while only focusing on certain moments.

Flash tripped so his awareness and skills are terrible. It's like saying a fighter before he trains has the same reflexes after he trains. You're a moron.

Oh, so Hulk's strength can randomly grow (not talking about rage amping), but Superman's is static? Double standards. Thor has 0 H2H skill, so that means exactly jack shit. I don't care if he beat some SHIELD jobbers, he's never beat a credible opponent in his solo movies or the Avengers movies.

Even if Hulk manages to tag Superman (extremely unlikely) so what? Superman's durability shits all over anyone Hulk has ever fought, he can take a few punches and keep fighting. How many Superman punches at super speed can Hulk take before he goes to sleep? Not many considering Iron Man laid him out. Doomsday could fly and had ranged attacks of his own, fool. Plus, Superman's attacks were amping him. Iron Man wasn't even trying to fight Hulk half the time and he still beat his b*tch ass. [/B]

Thor took down skilled agents while depowered so acting like he has no skill in hand to hand fighting disqualifies your opinion as flat out cuckoo.

Batman struggled against common criminals while using his skills and gadgets. He also beat Superman.

Loki. You'll ignore it.

Superman is more durable but Hulk is a lot stronger than Diana whose headbutt hurt Kal. Hulk hurts him badly.

Since when ? Superman's attacks weren't amping him. You really don't understand what you watch at all. Bruce Banner helped design Veronica to neutralize the Hulk and in the end if he was aware of Iron Man and didn't come out of a hex I highly doubt the punch would do anything other than piss him off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Were Cyborg's powers affected by the mother box ? Quit being biased and try to remain objective. I guess all humans share stats since we are all humans. You're a dummy.

The artic lift definitely was.

Yes, it is. Lois survived and taking down buildings isn't impressive. Marvel characters can do so as well but they tend to focus on collateral damage and aren't as reckless as Superman. Provide the clip so I can time stamp and walk you through this since you obviously lack the intelligence to understand it.

So the Leviathan feat is meh while Superman was ko'd by a tower. 😂

Thor hasn't matched him strength wise he's strong enough to hurt him but physically weaker just as WW is strong enough to hurt Superman. He used both arms to try to hold off one of Hulk's arms in the first AVENGERS movie.

He wasn't paying attention but Superman was ko'd by a tower and muscle strain. I explained the context and nothing is as bad as a tower and muscle strain koing you to the point Aquaman had to save him from drowning. 😂

Bruce always had her in play because he knows how to work Superman. He's weak and Bruce knows what buttons to press.

Superman was tagged in the first place. He was caught off guard by sonic booms and bulletfire. He didn't dodge any of it. Superman despite his powers returning wasn't fast enough to dodge a painfully slow Batman shooting him to exploit his weakness again.

So now when he gets hit he isn't trying to dodge. Your bias is appalling. Every example of him being tagged you ignore while only focusing on certain moments.

Flash tripped so his awareness and skills are terrible. It's like saying a fighter before he trains has the same reflexes after he trains. You're a moron.

Since when did Superman have the same powers as the Hulk ?

Thor took down skilled agents while depowered so acting like he has no skill in hand to hand fighting disqualifies your opinion as flat out cuckoo.

Batman struggled against common criminals while using his skills and gadgets. He also beat Superman.

Loki. You'll ignore it.

Superman is more durable but Hulk is a lot stronger than Diana whose headbutt hurt Kal. Hulk hurts him badly.

Since when ? Superman's attacks weren't amping him. You really don't understand what you watch at all. Bruce Banner helped design Veronica to neutralize the Hulk and in the end if he was aware of Iron Man and didn't come out of a hex I highly doubt the punch would do anything other than piss him off.

So Superman's powers are based on Apokoliptian tech too? Man, how did I miss that? Yes, we do. There's range, but there are minimum and maximum stats that healthy adult humans can't exceed or fall under.

It really wasn't. You have no idea what controlled environment means. The feat where he effortlessly carries a soviet appartment complex on his back is better, anyway.

When the hell was Lois under the World Engine beam? Stop making shit up. The impressive part of that feat is that Superman was badly depowered when he did all that. If it was Hulk he'd need Betty there just so he could stand up, never mind actually destroy the thing. Just google it, tard. You've seen the movie.

Better than getting your ass kicked by Chitauri lasers, which even a human could tank.

Wrong. He matched a raging Hulk while holding back in the first Avengers. He initially caught Hulk's blow with one arm and Hulk had better leverage. He was beating Hulk in Ragnarok despite trying to talk him down.

Good thing the movie established Superman wasn't at full power yet. Wanna explain how Hulk got beat down by the jobber of the Avengers team?

Don't kid yourself, the only thing that saved him was plot armor.

He wasn't trying to dodge them, so that proves nothing. His powers weren't even close to 100% when Batman hit him with the second grenade.

Because it's clear he wasn't trying to dodge. If you weren't retarded you'd understand why an invulnerable god-like being wouldn't care to dodge.

Lmao, it's hilarious seeing you squirm and come up with these excuses. I guess everyone, including Wonder Woman, being a statue to both of them doesn't matter, right? The scene was clearly meant to establish them as equals in speed. There's another scene later on when Superman casually catches up to a speeding Flash put in the movie for thick retards like you.

I said I'm not talking about rage amping, mongoloid.

Feats for those agents?

No, he didn't. Those mercs weren't "common". Either way, that just show you what happens when Batman has to fight someone, who isn't trying to talk to him.

Because he's weak.

It didn't hurt him at all, it just annoyed him. Hulk being stronger than Diana when Superman is a hell of a lot stronger than Diana.

The movie makes it clear that Doomsday is feeding off the energy being thrown at him. It would help if you actually watched these movie, not just the fight scenes on YouTube.

Hulk's durability was affected by the hex now? Gosh, that Wanda sure is tricky.

Now, I'll ask again, since you keep trying to evade the question. What feats does Hulk have when it comes to speed? Who is the fastest person he's managed to tag?

Originally posted by Psychotron
So Superman's powers are based on Apokoliptian tech too? Man, how did I miss that? Yes, we do. There's range, but there are minimum and maximum stats that healthy adult humans can't exceed or fall under.

It really wasn't. You have no idea what controlled environment means. The feat where he effortlessly carries a soviet appartment complex on his back is better, anyway.
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When the hell was Lois under the World Engine beam? Stop making shit up. The impressive part of that feat is that Superman was badly depowered when he did all that. If it was Hulk he'd need Betty there just so he could stand up, never mind actually destroy the thing. Just google it, tard. You've seen the movie.
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Better than getting your ass kicked by Chitauri lasers, which even a human could tank.[/B]

Wrong. He matched a raging Hulk while holding back in the first Avengers. He initially caught Hulk's blow with one arm and Hulk had better leverage. He was beating Hulk in Ragnarok despite trying to talk him down.

Good thing the movie established Superman wasn't at full power yet. Wanna explain how Hulk got beat down by the jobber of the Avengers team?

Don't kid yourself, the only thing that saved him was plot armor.
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He was at full strength but he learned how to be more combat formidabile.

You saying jobber has no relevance here. Batman beat down Superman alone and he struggled with one parademons. Pitiful.

We only have the facts your feelings and excuses aren't valid reasons to ignore them.

He wasn't trying to dodge them, so that proves nothing. His powers weren't even close to 100% when Batman hit him with the second grenade.

Because it's clear he wasn't trying to dodge. If you weren't retarded you'd understand why an invulnerable god-like being wouldn't care to dodge.

Lmao, it's hilarious seeing you squirm and come up with these excuses. I guess everyone, including Wonder Woman, being a statue to both of them doesn't matter, right? The scene was clearly meant to establish them as equals in speed. There's another scene later on when Superman casually catches up to a speeding Flash put in the movie for thick retards like you.
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Prove what percentage his powers were at. Batman couldn't physically affect him so his powers definitely returned. Quit making excuses it's getting pitiful at this point you loser.

Well the invulnerable guy lost so maybe he shouldn't be an idiot. According to you he lost to a human despite all the advantages against someone who gets roughed up by one parademon.

It does matter but she still tagged him. He took shots from her. She took his initial headbutt and was trying to talk him down. So despite being faster than WW she still tagged him.

The flash is a noob with his powers but that only applies to Superman in Man of Steel apparently.

I said I'm not talking about rage amping, mongoloid.

Feats for those agents?

No, he didn't. Those mercs weren't "common". Either way, that just show you what happens when Batman has to fight someone, who isn't trying to talk to him.

Because he's weak.[/B]

Batman was roughed up by thugs. Thor is without his powers and decimated them showing he has skill outside his powers.

Learn how to use the quote button I have no idea what you're even addressing at this point. You've been on the site for years and still don't know how. Does your mommy ties your shoes for you ? 😂

Batman beat Superman because Superman is timid, not very aggressive, and stupid. He held every single physical and reactionary advantage but he still lost. Batman stood on his chest in a very demeaning way.

It didn't hurt him at all, it just annoyed him. Hulk being stronger than Diana when Superman is a hell of a lot stronger than Diana.

The movie makes it clear that Doomsday is feeding off the energy being thrown at him. It would help if you actually watched these movie, not just the fight scenes on YouTube.

Hulk's durability was affected by the hex now? Gosh, that Wanda sure is tricky.

Now, I'll ask again, since you keep trying to evade the question. What feats does Hulk have when it comes to speed? Who is the fastest person he's managed to tag? [/B]

No, it doesn't. Your limited intellect can't even break up a post and address them point by point.

Hulks awareness was affected. He was ko'd. Did he knock his head off ? Understand what's being said. If a boxer punches someone completely unaware do you think it has the same impact as someone actively defending themselves. Have you ever been in a fight in your life ?

Thor. Cyborg also tagged Superman as has Batman. Hulk is faster than both of them. Logic it's here to help you moron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that but I did say the mother box can amp a person. So you just admitted all Knians are not equal. Just as Brock Lesnar's potential is far higher than Skip Bayless in a fight. Both are humans but it's night and day comparing the two in this way.

He is strong I haven never said he wasn't but you can't ignore the tower self ko. These feats aren't better than the Leviathan feat. Controlled lifts aren't as impressive as an enormous alien ship coming at you with greater speed.
I never said she showed the same strength as Superman I said she survived the world engines effects. What percentage was he depowered ? Prove to what extent he was depowered. It's just you worshipping the guys feats while ignoring the other ones. Same old.

He didn't get his ass kicked by Chitauri lasers. They were positioned well and it didn't really effect him at all. We see one shot from a Knian laser lay him out for over ten seconds. That had an impact. One laser shot. 🙂. Rewatch Man of Steel.

He didn't match a pissed off Hulk. The point was obvious the Hulk is stronger so quit trying to argue otherwise. Thor can affect Hulk just as WW can affect Superman. You aren't refuting the point that Hulk is stronger than Thor. Don't be obtuse.

He was at full strength but he learned how to be more combat formidabile.

You saying jobber has no relevance here. Batman beat down Superman alone and he struggled with one parademons. Pitiful.

We only have the facts your feelings and excuses aren't valid reasons to ignore them.
So you now are trying to change your argument to Superman doesn't try to dodge. Ok he lets Hulk hit him, perfect.

Prove what percentage his powers were at. Batman couldn't physically affect him so his powers definitely returned. Quit making excuses it's getting pitiful at this point you loser.

Well the invulnerable guy lost so maybe he shouldn't be an idiot. According to you he lost to a human despite all the advantages against someone who gets roughed up by one parademon.

It does matter but she still tagged him. He took shots from her. She took his initial headbutt and was trying to talk him down. So despite being faster than WW she still tagged him.

The flash is a noob with his powers but that only applies to Superman in Man of Steel apparently.

Quit being so angry.

Batman was roughed up by thugs. Thor is without his powers and decimated them showing he has skill outside his powers.

Learn how to use the quote button I have no idea what you're even addressing at this point. You've been on the site for years and still don't know how. Does your mommy ties your shoes for you ? 😂

Batman beat Superman because Superman is timid, not very aggressive, and stupid. He held every single physical and reactionary advantage but he still lost. Batman stood on his chest in a very demeaning way.

It did hurt him but you're a dishonest debater. Hulk is a helluva lot stronger than Diana. Could she casually jump up and do to the Leviathan what he did with her strength alone.

No, it doesn't. Your limited intellect can't even break up a post and address them point by point.

Hulks awareness was affected. He was ko'd. Did he knock his head off ? Understand what's being said. If a boxer punches someone completely unaware do you think it has the same impact as someone actively defending themselves. Have you ever been in a fight in your life ?

Thor. Cyborg also tagged Superman as has Batman. Hulk is faster than both of them. Logic it's here to help you moron.

When was is it said or even implied Superman was amped by the motherbox? Yes, some are bound to be stronger than others. What's your point?

Neither of those lifts are "controlled" as they're not on a neutral terrain with perfect grips and leverages. And then there's shifting tectonic plates, which is insanely harded than stopping a Leviathan. The tower feat is only low feat the guy has in 3 movies and it's right before he learns how to handle his powers. 2+2=? Lois wasn't involved in the World Engine scene at all. She was on the other side of the globe. You need to watch MoS again. I don't know how much he was depowered, but the fact is that he had trouble even flying.

It didn't put him down, it just knocked him back. And Kryptonian space ship guns >>>>>>>>>>> Chitauri hand guns, which even Cap can tank.

Yes, he did. He caught his blow with one arm. He also ragdolled a charging Hulk, while standing still.

He wasn't training for combat at all, he was learning how to use his powers in the first place. He crashes through a mountain without taking any damage in that scene, and that's way more impressive than a tower.

Context.

Yeah, he doesn't dodge attacks he knows he can take like how he doesn't bother to dodge bullets. Hulk is obviously more of a threat and he will dance around him like he did Steppenwolf.

Just because Batman's armor couldn't hurt him doesn't mean he was at 100%. The difference between the armor's max strength and Superman at full power is insanely huge. Superman struggled to lift and throw Batman in that same scene when he was ragdolling him at the start.

He lost to a human being with a secret weapon when he wasn't even there to fight him.

She only tagged him when he was restraining her hands and had nowhere else to go.

Stop it with this noob shit. We saw how slow everyone is from Flash's perspective. Everyone except Superman is a statue to him. Your argument doesn't work when we know how slow everything is from his point of view.

Quit deflecting and avoiding points.

Difference being Batman was just put through the wringer in his fight with Superman and he was fighting heavily armed opponents. Thor was struggling with that one big black guy.

Learn to follow a conversation, tard.

And kryptonite. You always ignore it because it kills your argument.

You must face blindness. Superman's expression was one of annoyance, not pain. I never said Diana is stronger than Hulk, but Superman definitely is by feats.

Idiot. They literally say they're making him stronger.

I've been in more fights than your fat ass has been in for sure. I used to be a kickboxer. Hulk being unaware has no effect on his durability. It's not like Iron Man wasn't hurting him before. He knocked his tooth out ffs.

Thor? That's it? Lmao. Thor doesn't have a single good speed feat to his name.

Originally posted by Psychotron
When was is it said or even implied Superman was amped by the motherbox? Yes, some are bound to be stronger than others. What's your point?

Neither of those lifts are "controlled" as they're not on a neutral terrain with perfect grips and leverages. And then there's shifting tectonic plates, which is insanely harded than stopping a Leviathan. The tower feat is only low feat the guy has in 3 movies and it's right before he learns how to handle his powers. 2+2=? Lois wasn't involved in the World Engine scene at all. She was on the other side of the globe. You need to watch MoS again. I don't know how much he was depowered, but the fact is that he had trouble even flying.
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I was referring to the effects of it. So you admit you don't know and are trying to excuse him. He flew when he held the Knite spear on his way to plunge it into Doomsday. I already said Batman was unable to physically hurt him so we see his powers return. Superman then attacks Batman. Batman weathered the laughable storm. Superman was downright pitiful against an extremely weak and lame Batman upgraded suit.

It didn't put him down, it just knocked him back. And Kryptonian space ship guns >>>>>>>>>>> Chitauri hand guns, which even Cap can tank.
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One Leviathan vs. a Knian ship what happens ?

Yes, he did. He caught his blow with one arm. He also ragdolled a charging Hulk, while standing still.
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He wasn't training for combat at all, he was learning how to use his powers in the first place. He crashes through a mountain without taking any damage in that scene, and that's way more impressive than a tower.[/B]

Context.

Yeah, he doesn't dodge attacks he knows he can take like how he doesn't bother to dodge bullets. Hulk is obviously more of a threat and he will dance around him like he did Steppenwolf.

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Just because Batman's armor couldn't hurt him doesn't mean he was at 100%. The difference between the armor's max strength and Superman at full power is insanely huge. Superman struggled to lift and throw Batman in that same scene when he was ragdolling him at the start.
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He lost to a human being with a secret weapon when he wasn't even there to fight him.

She only tagged him when he was restraining her hands and had nowhere else to go. [/B]

So you admit she tagged him and he didn't speed blitz her into defeat. She also successfully lassoed him. He isn't this dodge machine. 🙂

Stop it with this noob shit. We saw how slow everyone is from Flash's perspective. Everyone except Superman is a statue to him. Your argument doesn't work when we know how slow everything is from his point of view.

Quit deflecting and avoiding points.[/B]

Difference being Batman was just put through the wringer in his fight with Superman and he was fighting heavily armed opponents. Thor was struggling with that one big black guy.

Learn to follow a conversation, tard.

And kryptonite. You always ignore it because it kills your argument.
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You don't know how to use the quote function to break them down. I bet you mouth breathe.

It is weakness exploitation. A human is able to defeat a much stronger and faster opponent. Shame on you, Kal. He stood on your chest when your mother was on the line. Cuck.

You must face blindness. Superman's expression was one of annoyance, not pain. I never said Diana is stronger than Hulk, but Superman definitely is by feats.

Idiot. They literally say they're making him stronger.

I've been in more fights than your fat ass has been in for sure. I used to be a kickboxer. Hulk being unaware has no effect on his durability. It's not like Iron Man wasn't hurting him before. He knocked his tooth out ffs.

Thor? That's it? Lmao. Thor doesn't have a single good speed feat to his name. [/B]

False, Hulk is by feats. Leviathan vs tower.

No, you believe a cheapshot has the same impact as when you're defending yourself. I don't believe you. You're an acne ridden chimp who isn't bright enough to break down a quote.

Watch his fight against Surtur and his baddies from the beginning and then watch WW trapped against WW1 Germans until her BF and his pals freed her up.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
In the film. So you admit all Knians aren't equal so we can't transfer feats. Progress.

The ship isn't resisting and it's a controlled lift. Provide the clip. He had super strength since he was a child so quit acting like he just figured out he was really strong in that scene. Quit being disingenuous.

I was referring to the effects of it. So you admit you don't know and are trying to excuse him. He flew when he held the Knite spear on his way to plunge it into Doomsday. I already said Batman was unable to physically hurt him so we see his powers return. Superman then attacks Batman. Batman weathered the laughable storm. Superman was downright pitiful against an extremely weak and lame Batman upgraded suit.

One shot out him down for the ten count. Hulk was shot how many times ? This sums up the DC fanboys. Everything in DC is more powerful because you say so. You are a delusional fanboy. One shot rocked Superman.

One Leviathan vs. a Knian ship what happens ?

He didn't catch he blocked but he needed his other arm to keep him at bay. Do you know what ragdolling even is ? Apparently not. Hulk ragdolled both Loki and Thor. Thor never ragdolled Hulk.

So you admit his durability and strength doesn't change. Unless you're suggesting he didn't know how to lift and use his muscles prior to the latter of the film. His durability didn't change nor did his strength. Use your ape brain.

So he didn't dodge the Knite attacks so he's sloppy. He also isn't all knowing you dummy. Superman didn't beat or even significantly harm him and he was a threat to the planet. Quit ignoring the facts. He gets hit and it hurts a lot worse than a weaker females skull slamming into his gay one.
Superman attacked him prior to the Knite and didn't destroy the suit. Quit ignoring the facts. Batman withstood his attacks and set him up. He regained his powers and still failed because he was beaten down and it took its toll on him.
That is how combat works. This isn't some sanctioned UFC fight you dunce. He exploited his weakness and his morality.

So you admit she tagged him and he didn't speed blitz her into defeat. She also successfully lassoed him. He isn't this dodge machine. 🙂
We see how unsure of himself Flash was. He even said he pushes people and can't fight. Superman still doesn't directly hit him. Superman is slower than Flash is. Flash fell on his own because he's that noobish with his powers. Superman is much more formidable and has more experience against a non fighter. Big whoop.
Thor easily decimated them while Batman had a suit that protects him. Thor whooped his opponents and he was powerless.

You don't know how to use the quote function to break them down. I bet you mouth breathe.

It is weakness exploitation. A human is able to defeat a much stronger and faster opponent. Shame on you, Kal. He stood on your chest when your mother was on the line. Cuck.

No, he felt the pain. Your head doesn't react that way if you don't feel it. We see how he reacts when Batman struck him prior to weakness exploitation. WW took his first headbutt and responded.

False, Hulk is by feats. Leviathan vs tower.

No, you believe a cheapshot has the same impact as when you're defending yourself. I don't believe you. You're an acne ridden chimp who isn't bright enough to break down a quote.

Watch his fight against Surtur and his baddies from the beginning and then watch WW trapped against WW1 Germans until her BF and his pals freed her up.

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Except we've seen them fight Superman, we can scale them from there.

That's not what controlled lift is, weights don't normally resist you, dumbass. A clip of which feat, exactly? And that means his strength can't grow? Not to mention how important mental state and will are in weightlifting.

Just because he could still fly doesn't mean his powers were at their peak. And I already told you he had to exert himself just to lift and throw Batman. He was clearly still weak.

Imagine being retarded enough to think a handgun from an inferior race is equal to a Kryptonian ship's cannon. Lmaoing at you.

Considering Tony blew up one with a simple missile the Kryptonian ship will rape the Leviathan.

That's what catching means. Thor sent his ass flying across the room despite Hulk having forward momentum while Thor was on one knee. Poor little Hulk getting shown up at his own game by a holding back Thor.

It's his mental state that changed. Explain how he could otherwise walk out of the exploding senate building with zero damage or survive a nuke if a tower was enough to take him out.

He didn't know about the Kryptonite before he was hit by it the first time. The second time he wasn't even close to full power. He played with Steppenwolf and anyone who isn't blind or retarded knows it. He took Steppenwolf out for more than a ten count.

Probably because he's there to talk to him, idiot. He says so himself.

And there's no Kryptonite here and Superman has no problem killing big dumb green brutes.

He blitzed her when caught her arms, moron. And we saw that she was a statue to him and Flash when they pour the speed on.

Again, you're trying to shift the argument. The point is that the rest of the JL are statues to Superman and Flash. Nobody cares how much Flash sucks at fighting, this isn't Flash vs Hulk and Fenris.

Go make a powerless Thor vs Batfleck fight and see how that turns out for you.

You must have a brain tumor if you don't remember me doing it in response to you before. That would explain why you're so lacking mentally.

There's no weakeness exploitation in this fight. Another irrelevant point.

Yes, with annoyance. You'd feel a child kicking you in the shin and it would annoy you without actually hurting you.

Try Leviathan vs icebreaker, apartment complex, World Engine, tectonic plates, singularity, etc.

Cheap shots are dangerous because they land eaiser. That's it. They don't rattle your brain in your skull (thing that causes the KO) any more than a normal shot that slips past your guard. Try some boxing, I bet they'd love a new punching bag in the gym. Might beat some sense into your thick head if nothing else.

Literally nothing alike. Another waste of characters.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except we've seen them fight Superman, we can scale them from there.

That's not what controlled lift is, weights don't normally resist you, dumbass. A clip of which feat, exactly? And that means his strength can't grow? Not to mention how important mental state and will are in weightlifting.

Yes, it is. He knew what the situation was whereas Hulk had to react in that moment to stop the Leviathan in a matter of moments. So if I don't weight train my strength just grows because I will it to do so. You live in a fantasy world. His strength and durability do not magically change on their own. You still don't know how to break a quote down, chimp.

The ****ing exaggerated world engine feat, chimp.

Just because he could still fly doesn't mean his powers were at their peak. And I already told you he had to exert himself just to lift and throw Batman. He was clearly still weak.

Imagine being retarded enough to think a handgun from an inferior race is equal to a Kryptonian ship's cannon. Lmaoing at you.
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Another baseless claim. Their race died because their planet went bye bye. They were an absolute joke outside certain conditions which amped them.

Considering Tony blew up one with a simple missile the Kryptonian ship will rape the Leviathan.
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That's what catching means. Thor sent his ass flying across the room despite Hulk having forward momentum while Thor was on one knee. Poor little Hulk getting shown up at his own game by a holding back Thor.
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It's his mental state that changed. Explain how he could otherwise walk out of the exploding senate building with zero damage or survive a nuke if a tower was enough to take him out.

He didn't know about the Kryptonite before he was hit by it the first time. The second time he wasn't even close to full power. He played with Steppenwolf and anyone who isn't blind or retarded knows it. He took Steppenwolf out for more than a ten count.
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So he gets tagged either way. He's sloppy and holds back. He was hit by multiple Batman attacks but the weakness definitely was exploited.

So you believe he plays against villains who threaten the entire world but will go all out to kill the Hulk. You are stupid and comtradict yourself. Superman didn't do anything damage wise to Steppenwolf. Even Batman in an upgrade suit can survive Superman's attacks. Hulk will be fine.

Probably because he's there to talk to him, idiot. He says so himself.

And there's no Kryptonite here and Superman has no problem killing big dumb green brutes.

He blitzed her when caught her arms, moron. And we saw that she was a statue to him and Flash when they pour the speed on.

Again, you're trying to shift the argument. The point is that the rest of the JL are statues to Superman and Flash. Nobody cares how much Flash sucks at fighting, this isn't Flash vs Hulk and Fenris.

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He did catch her arms but she still head butted him after he attacked her. I'm glad we are on the same page. Saying he blitzes and defeats his foes before they can react or hit him back is proven false in this same scene. He hits the Hulk and eventually hits him back.

Superman is faster but just as she lassoed him and headbutts him despite his speed advantage Hulk does the same. Thor is far more skilled than the Hulk but Hulk hits him all the same. Point is Superman doesn't blitz his foes into submission before they can react. Argument dismantled.

Go make a powerless Thor vs Batfleck fight and see how that turns out for you.

You must have a brain tumor if you don't remember me doing it in response to you before. That would explain why you're so lacking mentally.

There's no weakeness exploitation in this fight. Another irrelevant point.

Yes, with annoyance. You'd feel a child kicking you in the shin and it would annoy you without actually hurting you.
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Point is a human is fast enough to hit Superman so a much faster guy than Batman can do so as well. He doesn't need weakness exploitation because his own strength will hurt Superman.

Try Leviathan vs icebreaker, apartment complex, World Engine, tectonic plates, singularity, etc.

Cheap shots are dangerous because they land eaiser. That's it. They don't rattle your brain in your skull (thing that causes the KO) any more than a normal shot that slips past your guard. Try some boxing, I bet they'd love a new punching bag in the gym. Might beat some sense into your thick head if nothing else.

Literally nothing alike. Another waste of characters. [/B]

Cheap shots always have more of an impact because you aren't defending yourself. Hulk wasn't even aware of Iron Man he just came out of a hex.

WW wasn't fast enough to defeat the Germans on her own. Pitiful. She needed her human pals to help her out. Thor wrecks the WW1 Germans on his own.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thry are entirely different characters. It's like saying look at Thor and saying all asgardians are around the same level. Superman beat Zod. We see Batman withstand attacks from a fully powered Superman.

Yes, it is. He knew what the situation was whereas Hulk had to react in that moment to stop the Leviathan in a matter of moments. So if I don't weight train my strength just grows because I will it to do so. You live in a fantasy world. His strength and durability do not magically change on their own. You still don't know how to break a quote down, chimp.

The ****ing exaggerated world engine feat, chimp.

Doesnt mean he's dramatically weakened either. You made the claim. He took massive damage and was beaten down. He was in pain, moron.

Another baseless claim. Their race died because their planet went bye bye. They were an absolute joke outside certain conditions which amped them.

Based on the Knian ship doing what ? Tony Stark would rape Batman with tech vs. tech. This isn't close. Dceu is inferior to the power MCU brings to the table.

He blocked that doesn't mean catching and he used his other arm against one arm of the Hulk. Thor is strong enough to send him flying as Zod is strong enough to send Superman flying. Thor used his skill and his hammer because he's far weaker than the Hulk. WW took a direct headbutt from Superman and she's weaker than he is. Thor is stronger than WW.

Inconsistent fiction. It's how it always is but only fanboys try to pretend certain showings count while others don't. The nuke took him out but the sun repaired him. Watch the scene you chimp.

So he gets tagged either way. He's sloppy and holds back. He was hit by multiple Batman attacks but the weakness definitely was exploited.

So you believe he plays against villains who threaten the entire world but will go all out to kill the Hulk. You are stupid and comtradict yourself. Superman didn't do anything damage wise to Steppenwolf. Even Batman in an upgrade suit can survive Superman's attacks. Hulk will be fine.

Doomsday isn't the same as the Hulk and he knew that. He doesn't know who the Hulk is so won't just become a murdering bastard. Besides that he knew the intentions of Steppenwolf and didn't kill or even really hurt him. Steppenwolf also had to fight and take damage from the rest of the League.

He did catch her arms but she still head butted him after he attacked her. I'm glad we are on the same page. Saying he blitzes and defeats his foes before they can react or hit him back is proven false in this same scene. He hits the Hulk and eventually hits him back.

Superman is faster but just as she lassoed him and headbutts him despite his speed advantage Hulk does the same. Thor is far more skilled than the Hulk but Hulk hits him all the same. Point is Superman doesn't blitz his foes into submission before they can react. Argument dismantled.

Quit trying to change the subject. Thor looked more impressive than Batman did who relies on gear,gadgets, etc.

Point is a human is fast enough to hit Superman so a much faster guy than Batman can do so as well. He doesn't need weakness exploitation because his own strength will hurt Superman.

Hulk does so with ridiculous ease. You also can't ignore the tower which lowers his averages.

Cheap shots always have more of an impact because you aren't defending yourself. Hulk wasn't even aware of Iron Man he just came out of a hex.

WW wasn't fast enough to defeat the Germans on her own. Pitiful. She needed her human pals to help her out. Thor wrecks the WW1 Germans on his own.

No, you idiot. We can scale them from Superman because he's fought Nam-Ek, Zod, and Faora. We know how they stack up against him.

Except Hulk was pushed to his limit, while Superman did those lifting feats casually. I'm sorry, are you a solar-powered alien too? Because if you're not why are you comparing your physiology with Superman's?

Watch MoS since it's clear you never did.

Mhm, because of kryptonite, which is not in this fight.

Yet, their tech is enough to open portals to the Phantom Zone and colonize the galaxy. They died of because of their culture, not their science.

I could ask you the same. Based on what is the Leviathan more powerful than the Kryptonian ship? Tony got raped by a peak human in H2H.

That's exactly what it means. Zod has the same powers as Superman so that proves nothing. There's no skill in clubbing someone with a hammer. Thor just one-uped Banner and it's eating you up inside. Forgetting that Superman destroyed WW with a headbut when he got serious?

Not an excuse, moron. The nuke hurt him, yes. It didn't kill him, however.

He was only "sloppy" when he didn't know about the kryptonite. The second time he wasn't at full power.

How did he play against him? He humiliated him both times he engaged him. Hulk can't even handle Iron Man, never mind Clark.

One big green monster is as good as another. There's no reason to assume Superman will go easy on him when he immediately went on the offensive against DD.

Explain how you dodge a headbutt if you're holding someone's arms. He'll get hit by Hulk if he doesn't take him seriously. It doesn't matter if he does though because Superman has greater durability feats than Hulk. If he is serious like he was against DD Hulk is done.

Characters fight at their best under forum rules. Hulk dies.

Go make the thread then, p*ssy.

The point is that a human CANNOT hit Superman without kryptonite and Hulk has exactly 0 speed feats. Hitting Thor is not a speed feat.

Prove that he can, because all I've seen is Hulk struggling against the Leviathan.

Exaclty my point. Hulk's durability and damage soak were low enough for Iron Man to knock him out with a clean hit.

I guess you missed that scene at the end of Wonder Woman when a berserk Diana was blitzing the Germans. And that same Diana is a statue to Clark and Barry.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, you idiot. We can scale them from Superman because he's fought Nam-Ek, Zod, and Faora. We know how they stack up against him.

Except Hulk was pushed to his limit, while Superman did those lifting feats casually. I'm sorry, are you a solar-powered alien too? Because if you're not why are you comparing your physiology with Superman's?
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Speculation. You do this a lot when you make baseless claims. That isn't how debating works but since you can't even break a quote down I highly doubt you'll ever grasp the nuance of debating. Hulk did so casually while Superman passed out due to the muscle strain of the tower feat. He almost drowned.

You also ignore that Batman withstood his attacks. His suit wasn't even completely destroyed by the way and it was pitiful but Iron Man standards. Superman needs the right environment because on his home world he does t have these powers. Hulk is Hulk everywhere he goes. 🙂

Watch MoS since it's clear you never did.

Mhm, because of kryptonite, which is not in this fight.
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We see his durability return and we have seen him fly in the same film while holding Knite so he was just too hurt to do so. That's logical since we know he still have his abilities when Knite is involved. Batman already successfully landed attacks before he struck him with Knite.

Yet, their tech is enough to open portals to the Phantom Zone and colonize the galaxy. They died of because of their culture, not their science.

I could ask you the same. Based on what is the Leviathan more powerful than the Kryptonian ship? Tony got raped by a peak human in H2H.

That's exactly what it means. Zod has the same powers as Superman so that proves nothing. There's no skill in clubbing someone with a hammer. Thor just one-uped Banner and it's eating you up inside. Forgetting that Superman destroyed WW with a headbut when he got serious?
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Size, feats, and portrayal in the films. Batman was raped in Justice league. Making jokes like a Spiderman wannabe about bleeding and all around pitiful portrayal. Tony's hand to hand skills don't make him formidable his shit and it's abilities do.

Thor has skills in how he uses his hammer. Acting like he swings it and doesn't use it for flight, etc. is simply living in your own deluded world. Same abilities doesn't mean you have the same skill, strength, etc. he also lacked experience on earth and was bred to be a warrior unlike the farm boy.

Thor never bested Hulk despite his skill edge. I'm fine with that because I've always claimed Hulk wins a long close battle between himself and Thor. He's beat on Superman as well. He's the Hulk not some Batman victim.

Not an excuse, moron. The nuke hurt him, yes. It didn't kill him, however.

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How did he play against him? He humiliated him both times he engaged him. Hulk can't even handle Iron Man, never mind Clark.

One big green monster is as good as another. There's no reason to assume Superman will go easy on him when he immediately went on the offensive against DD.[/B]

Hulk came out of a hex and Veronica was designed by Banner to neutralize the Hulk. It didn't. That's how formidable he is despite reforming Hulk was still tearing him up. Superman did less damage to an inferior, physically joke of a suit to Iron Man's stronger, more durable, and more massive suit. He was caught off guard after a hex.

Batman beat Clark down Hulk beats him down harder. He was explained who DD was and knew his intentions right out of the gate. He didn't beat Steppenwolf and cripple him right out of the gate. He came in with a happy go lucky attitude despite knowing his intentions. Innocents aren't at stake here. He hesitated to kill Zod who wanted genocide. You're very stupid.

Explain how you dodge a headbutt if you're holding someone's arms. He'll get hit by Hulk if he doesn't take him seriously. It doesn't matter if he does though because Superman has greater durability feats than Hulk. If he is serious like he was against DD Hulk is done.

Characters fight at their best under forum rules. Hulk dies.

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You can't even make threads on your own. Does your mommy still make your bed and tie your shoes you incompetent loser.

The point is that a human CANNOT hit Superman without kryptonite and Hulk has exactly 0 speed feats. Hitting Thor is not a speed feat.

Prove that he can, because all I've seen is Hulk struggling against the Leviathan.

Exaclty my point. Hulk's durability and damage soak were low enough for Iron Man to knock him out with a clean hit.

I guess you missed that scene at the end of Wonder Woman when a berserk Diana was blitzing the Germans. And that same Diana is a statue to Clark and Barry. [/B]

He didn't struggle he turned into the Hulk and did so with no strain. Strain is koing yourself holding up a tower. 😂

Much more powerful shot than a laser. We see hulk take multiple hits to the face prior to but it was a total cheapshot after a hex wore off.

Diana the statue lassoed him and head butted him so you agree slower characters can hit him. Progress.

She can beat on Germans but in that prior situation she still needed human help when they fired their guns on her. She had no way out. Totally different situation at the end of the film. Get your mother to help you out because you're dumb as hell.