i just think it's important to not conflate a real organization on the far-right with a derogatory label applied to the far-left. there was a time when this didn't matter and it was really just semantics, but then came trump, who actually deflected from a real organized threat to a made-up label referencing small groups of barely-organized anarchists. he ruined it for everyone.
Originally posted by Bashar TegThe left will always be far more fragmented than the right due to all the different issues that are attributed to the left. As a Traditional European Socialist, Workers rights and equality are my main issues. I'm not big on gender politics and some of it I don't buy into. That said equal rights for all sexual persuasions, sexes, creeds and religions and equality of life chances are key to my Socialism.
i just think it's important to not conflate a real organization on the far-right with a derogatory label applied to the far-left. there was a time when this didn't matter and it was really just semantics, but then came trump, who actually deflected from a real organized threat to a made-up label. he ruined it for everyone.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i just think it's important to not conflate a real organization on the far-right with a derogatory label applied to the far-left. there was a time when this didn't matter and it was really just semantics, but then came trump, who actually deflected from a real organized threat to a made-up label referencing small groups of barely-organized anarchists. he ruined it for everyone.
I agree and that's totally reasonable.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i just think it's important to not conflate a real organization on the far-right with a derogatory label applied to the far-left. there was a time when this didn't matter and it was really just semantics, but then came trump, who actually deflected from a real organized threat to a made-up label referencing small groups of barely-organized anarchists. he ruined it for everyone.
The people doing that are you. Nobody said there is an organization on the left calling itself the alt left.
So I'd suggest stop pulling that BS if you're actually sincere.
Originally posted by Robtard
Surtur, "play nazi games, win nazi prices", what can I say. If it makes you feel better today, I don't think you're an actual Nazi. You just want to attack the Left so hard you'll "miss the trees for the forest" so to speak.
But I don't play nazi games, so it's just moronic to call me a nazi. Going after the left is not being alt right or a nazi or anything of the sort.
See, your rage betrays you hear. Did you really have to rant about "cuck leftist" now? We're having a peaceful conversation.
There was no rage. This tactic is getting kind of old.
And also no: we were not having a peaceful conversation. Being polite doesn't necessarily equate to that. You accused me of avoiding the fact the alt right exists, but I never did.
As long as you seem to agree that "Alt-Left" was invented and applied by detractors and "Alt-Right" is a self-applied label. cool.
I agree that some apply the label of alt right, but most of the time it's other people using it to hurl an insult at a conservative. Those are the cuck leftists I spoke of.
But the implication also seemed to be that the term "alt left" is only used by right wingers who want to deflect from other things. That is not true.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
can people stp using terms like "alt-right", "alt-left", "leftist" ect.It's just a lazy way to generalize rather than address a specific issue.
Also, when Jon Stewart is considered as "alt-left", I don't think you have a very good grasp on what are extreme political opinions.
The term merely needs to be used when applicable. But people here do not only use the term "alt right" when applicable. Which is why seeing them complain that others are using "alt left" to detract or deflect or vilify is puzzling.
Times alt right is applicable, going by how they keep talking about people calling themselves alt right...would be: it is applicable to use to refer to someone who has referred to themselves as alt right.
when someone openly defends the alt right, sourcing alex jones(lol) im going to continue assuming that they advocate the alt right.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also found this interesting, Twitter apparently shutting down alt right accounts after Trumps victory.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you gonna get cutesy and pretend that you don't know what a misinformation cess-pool infowarz is? of course you are :'😉
Lol I want to thank you. You just displayed to everybody here how little credibility you actually have. I posted a link and said I found it "interesting". The fact you think this equates to defending or advocating for the alt right is truly hilarious.
Oh this is going to be good. What will your pals do? Nobody with a smidge of rationality could agree with your logic. So either they will have to call out your stupidity or perform some complex mental gymnastics.
Originally posted by Surtur
But I don't play nazi games, so it's just moronic to call me a nazi. Going after the left is not being alt right or a nazi or anything of the sort.There was no rage. This tactic is getting kind of old.
And also no: we were not having a peaceful conversation. Being polite doesn't necessarily equate to that. You accused me of avoiding the fact the alt right exists, but I never did.
I agree that some apply the label of alt right, but most of the time it's other people using it to hurl an insult at a conservative. Those are the cuck leftists I spoke of.
But the implication also seemed to be that the term "alt left" is only used by right wingers who want to deflect from other things. That is not true.
Disagree to disagree. But that's not what I was referring to.
Okay then.
I in fact did not accuse you of saying the Alt-Right doesn't exist. I'm going to take it you misunderstood. The point avoidance was in regards to AltR being self-labeled and AltL being labeled from the outside.
See the Vonegut quote I posted for you before.
"Only", sure, that would be incorrect. "Most time", more accurate, imo.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you posted a link to a renowned misinformation site (even to most republicans) as evidence that the alt-right (rebranded nazis) was being treated unfairly. keep dancing around that documented fact.
I posted a link about how twitter was shutting down alt right accounts and said I found it interesting.
The fact you turned that into advocating for the alt right...LMAO! That's just the gift that keeps on giving.
Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree to disagree. But that's not what I was referring to.Okay then.
I in fact did not accuse you of saying the Alt-Right doesn't exist. I'm going to take it you misunderstood. The point avoidance was in regards to AltR being self-labeled and AltL being labeled from the outside.
See the Vonegut quote I posted for you before.
"Only", sure, that would be incorrect. "Most time", more accurate, imo.
Indeed you said I was avoiding they exist. But I wasn't. Acknowledging they exist is not avoidance lol. Pointing out it is now mostly used as an insult doesn't avoid it either.
And no, "most of the time" wouldn't be correct either IMO.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
this must be very embarrassing for you. just say "i trusted infowars, a renowned fake-news conspiracy site, because i was young and naive" and "i really had no idea what the alt-right was all about and didn't intend to defend actual nazis".but we both know those would be lies. :'😉
The projection is immense. The only one this embarrasses is you. I never said I trust them, I said I found the article interesting. You trying to spin that into advocating for the alt right is hilarious lol.
Again I wonder how your pals will react, if they acknowledge your lunacy at all. Will it be mental gymnastics to explain why I'm totally defending the alt right? Will it be "Well damn, this is stupidity of the highest order" ?