Originally posted by dadudemon
👆Stupid Republicans.
The tens of thousands of lives, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives, that could be saved each year. The economic productivity benefits, alone, would be worth the effort. Imagine a healthy, less-anxious, working population? There are probably special interests working to keep the US Economy from booming like that by preventing a UHC option from being implemented.
Why bother with healthcare? We only have 12 years left to live.
I just had an interesting conversation on Quora about the banning of a certain item for defense purposes.
Specifically, about pepper spray for dog defense in the U.K.
It was pretty funny, how the brits were making arguments just like the ones we make here about gun control:
"I will NEVER understand the attitude of people like you. You won't encounter any dangerous dogs here."
"Pepper spray is an offensive weapon. My mum was robbed at point blank range with pepper spray."
"What would you ever need pepper spray for? Get rid of your paranoia!"
😂 Wow.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is a statement, very strongly worded, that is testable. We can measure your claim about the framer's intentions against their actual intentions because of how thoroughly documented the Bill of Rights and US Constitution were debated by the states before they were ratified. Also, the contemporary documentation surrounding the discussions around "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."When exploring original intent, the Founding Fathers were worse than the NRA on their gun-freedom, gun-loving. Some contemporary interpretations of the Second Amendment meant that the people were required to own arms, maintain them, and be prepared to serve and defend as needed. That's quite far removed from the modern interpretation of the Bill of Rights. That's a violation of the first amendment: forcing the people to keep and bear arms. Remember, there were peaceful people, religious people, pacifists, that were colonials. Highly unlikely that the group of "required to be armed" people got much tractions.
Not only were arms allowed to "the people", meaning every single denizen (not citizen, denizen) was allowed arms. Bearing arms was viewed as such an essential right that Thomas Jefferson compared it to fire, food, and water.
Just read how this eloquent man put it:
He's...almost as wordy as that Skywalker Star Wars kid but far more eloquent.
Regardless, to get to the bottom of your statement about super powerful weapons: did they intend "The People" to own highly destructive arms such as bombs and cannons? Or, as you worded it, "the right to any and all weapons." Can a private citizen own a surface to air missile under the Founders' interpretations of the Second Amendment?
Why, yes, you can! Private citizens often owned cannons especially merchants. This included missiles that delivered explosive payloads: similar to but very primitive compared to your surface-to-air missile concept.
Also, and quite often, the people who had the right to keep and bear arms were referred to as "free men." Why? Because one of the most famous examples is of a private citizen owning a friggin' warship (armed to the teeth and certainly among the most powerful offensive weapons of war around at the time) was a black man, a free man! So, yes, the intention most certainly would have been to allow the private citizens to own cannons. If you interpret that to mean that a private citizen can own a surface-to-air missile and launcher, that would be within the original intent of the Founding Fathers. Types of grenades were certainly a thing, then, too.
http://www.madisonbrigade.com/library_bor.htm
https://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/20131016/pub02/310160345
I highly doubt any of you will genuinely read this post, make the effort to understand US History, and make the effort to understand Original Intent for the US Constitution. You will only take out of this conversation what you feel represents your position. Which is stupid. Some Authoritarians don't even participate in the liberal and libertarian debate about the right to bear arms: they want to repeal the Second Amendment because they know full well that the Second Amendment intended to arm all denizens. While deplorable that they would seek to remove the people's rights (bastards, the lot of them!) but not actually do anything to stop intentional homicides, they are taking the correct approach.
Good post 👆
Originally posted by SquallXKnives have been banned except for work for decades.
No one thought a knives ban would ever be a thing in London either.
Originally posted by SurturSays the guy from the place where you have dry states and creationism taught in schools 😆
Or that they'd be sad enough to try to go after a guy for jokingly teaching his dog to do a nazi salute. Or a woman for misgendering someone.Buuuut they did. Our good 'ol Duff the UK 👆
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Knives have been banned except for work for decades. Says the guy from the place where you have dry states and creationism taught in schools 😆
You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were if you think creation isn't taught in other nations. Yes, we have most of the creationist teachers in America and I am hugely grateful for that. 🙂
I'm especially grateful that I have not been brainwashed with darwinian evolution garbage as poor souls like you have. I thank God for it on a pretty frequent basis.. It was actually one of the things I was so very thankful for on Thanksgiving yesterday.
Unfortunately, darwinian evolution retardation nonsense is still forced on school children though. It's sad. 🙁
We need more creation (which is the actual truth of our origins) and less evolutionism (which is lies) being taught. That would be actual progress, not pushing the crazy things that leftist so-called "progressives" refer to as progress... like pushing the lie that there are 5 dozen genders , for instance lol.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaedur
You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were if you think creation isn't taught in other nations. Yes, we have most of the creationist teachers in America and I am hugely grateful for that. 🙂I'm especially grateful that I have not been brainwashed with darwinian evolution garbage as poor souls like you have. I thank God for it on a pretty frequent basis.. It was actually one of the things I was so very thankful for on Thanksgiving yesterday.
Unfortunately, darwinian evolution retardation nonsense is still forced on school children though. It's sad. 🙁
We need more creation (which is the actual truth of our origins) and less evolutionism (which is lies) being taught. That would be actual progress, not pushing the crazy things that leftist so-called "progressives" refer to as progress... like pushing the lie that there are 5 dozen genders , for instance lol.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Pepper spray is banned in the UK.
I meant to say pepper spray alternatives for dog defense.
That's what I asked, and just asking got me labeled as paranoid. From people who said they got bit, no less.
But only once, what are the odds, being prepared for unlikely events is stupid.
Like smoking, amiright?
And suddenly their attitude changes towards not taking that throw of the dice..
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You two idiots can laugh all you like. When you're standing before the Creator on Judgment Day though--and you will-- I promise you won't be laughing anymore.
Pretty sure God is going to be nicer to them than he is to someone that believes they can speak on his behalf.