Mass Shootings in America Thread

Originally posted by Surtur
And if she did and she did what she said..shotguns and hunting rifles would be on the chopping block the moment some kid uses them in a school shooting, agreed?

We'd also see criminals with a lot of sawed off shotguns. Hell a school shooter would probably use one too if all they had was a shotgun or hunting rifle.

Um, banning all weapons would be a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms". But it doesn't say that a person has the right to any and all weapons; why there are limits as to what a person can and can't own. eg You can't own a surface-to-air missile and launcher.

Um, what is stopping the vast amount of mass shooting being committed by using single shot shotguns and rifles now? It's almost like some weapons are inherently more efficient at murdering larger numbers of people.

Top ten mass shootings in America:

It's almost like there's a pattern with the preferred weapon style of choice...

It's like you're retarded.

^Couldn't counter the points, so he replied with a personal attack to try and deflect away. aka "Pulled a Surt".

What's your point?

Anyone who thinks successful defensive use of a gun is more common than successful criminal use of a firearm is barking mad.

Originally posted by Robtard
^Couldn't counter the points, so he replied with a personal attack to try and deflect away. aka "Pulled a Surt".

I can counter your point, I just think you're dumb as f*ck.

Preferred weapons of choice go out the window if those are banned and all they have left are shotguns and hunting rifles. They'll then use those. And then pathetic folk like you will want them banned too.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Anyone who thinks successful defensive use of a gun is more common than successful criminal use of a firearm is barking mad.

What's your point?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Anyone who thinks successful defensive use of a gun is more common than successful criminal use of a firearm is barking mad.

Quick question: does you realize a DGU doesn't require a shot to be fired?

The low end estimates for DGU are in the hundreds of thousands, but you guys will just dismiss that. The claim of millions is the high end.

Originally posted by Surtur
I can counter your point, I just think you're dumb as f*ck.

Preferred weapons of choice go out the window if those are banned and all they have left are shotguns and hunting rifles. They'll then use those. And then pathetic folk like you will want them banned too.

This is not a counter and here's why:

I noted in the response that banning all weapons would violate the Constitution.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Anyone who thinks successful defensive use of a gun is more common than successful criminal use of a firearm is barking mad.

Yup.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is not a counter and here's why:

I noted in the response that banning all weapons would violate the Constitution.

These people give two shits about the constitution. Don't gaslight me again.

Originally posted by Surtur
These people give two shits about the constitution. Don't gaslight me again.

Your feelings and their feelings do not matter to the Constitution. It'd take an Amendment to outright ban all guns and the chance of that is extremely unlikely. Use logic, not your feelings.

So you continue to gaslight, okay. A bingo from putinbot must be worth a lot to you.

Originally posted by Surtur
So you continue to gaslight, okay. A bingo from putinbot must be worth a lot to you.

Saying that the Constitution isn't going to magically be re-written is just a fact. The 2nd Amendment is safe, it's not being overturned outright.

eg Look what happened to George W. Bush's attempt to do so regarding marriage. That failed and there's far more gun lovers than there are gay haters in America.

Originally posted by Surtur
Quick question: does you realize a DGU doesn't require a shot to be fired?

The low end estimates for DGU are in the hundreds of thousands, but you guys will just dismiss that. The claim of millions is the high end.

HYG again, copy/paste from the other thread:

Of note from that article:
People answering surveys can be mistaken and some lie and the reasons go both ways. Some people might be unwilling to answer because a defensive gun use might have been illegal (Would these people refuse to answer?). On the other hand, mischievous responders might report a defensive gun use just because that makes them sound cool. -snip

Also:
Defensive Gun Use and the Difficult Statistics of Rare Events

In the mid-1990s, Kleck and Gertz (1995) estimated that in a typical year about 1.3% of US adults used a gun for self-defense against another person. Kleck and Gertz’s estimate, which came from a survey of nearly 5000 people, implied that there were millions of defensive gun uses every year. -snip

Also:
The Myth of Millions of Annual Self-Defense Gun Uses: A Case Study of Survey Overestimates of Rare Events

Not overturned outright, sounds like an admission that people realize they can't do away with it legally so they're trying to weaken it through dishonest means.

*yawn* You dismissed links before. But we're to take yours seriously, cuz reasons.

Do better in your next reply.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not overturned outright, sounds like an admission that people realize they can't do away with it legally so they're trying to weaken it through dishonest means.

Extrapolate on "dishonest means".

Originally posted by Surtur
*yawn* You dismissed links before. But we're to take yours seriously, cuz reasons.

Do better in your next reply.

The first quote is from the very article you're sourcing from.

The first link/article is in the very article above

The second link is in the first link/article above

As long as you dismiss any and all whining of Trump violating norms with "our laws will protect us" I'm cool with your attitude.

Affirm that now, if you will.