Mass Shootings in America Thread

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then rather than screaming that it's racist to require minorities to get an ID to vote, maybe liberals should be saying something to the effect of "Ok lets have voter IDs but make sure it's not implemented in a way that's unfair to minorities".

If they thought that the other side was doing this in good faith then they probably would say that. The problem is, when you consider how conservative states have implemented voter ID, it becomes clear that they just want it to lower the turnout of certain voting groups to help their own political party.

Originally posted by BackFire
If they thought that the other side was doing this in good faith then they probably would say that. The problem is, when you consider how conservative states have implemented voter ID, it becomes clear that they just want it to lower the turnout of certain voting groups to help their own political party.

Wouldn't that be more reason for them to get involved and make sure it was done right, rather than do nothing and risk a version they don't agree with getting passed during a time they don't have the votes to stop it?

Originally posted by BackFire
If they thought that the other side was doing this in good faith then they probably would say that. The problem is, when you consider how conservative states have implemented voter ID, it becomes clear that they just want it to lower the turnout of certain voting groups to help their own political party.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wouldn't that be more reason for them to get involved and make sure it was done right, rather than do nothing and risk a version they don't agree with getting passed during a time they don't have the votes to stop it?

To be clear, this is a state by state issue, and that's how it will stay. The states that have implemented it in this fashion are deep red and the Democrats are so outnumbered in them that they basically wouldn't get much of a say anyways.

In the scenario darthgoober mentions, where it would be done on a national level, the democrats probably would be involved in the process in some way, if, of course, it was clear that some version of voter ID was going to happen regardless. That's not the scenario we're looking at though.

That still begs the question, why don't the democrats try and get it passed on a national level?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That still begs the question, why don't the democrats try and get it passed on a national level?

Because it's a waste of time because voter fraud is not an actual problem, it's a made up problem so some states can engage in voter suppression. Hence why there are no actual numbers to suggest it's a problem in any significant way.

Originally posted by BackFire
Because it's a waste of time because voter fraud is not an actual problem, it's a made up problem so some states can engage in voter suppression. Hence why there are no actual numbers to suggest it's a problem in any significant way.

Voter fraud isnt an actual problem? Oh my, there are literally videos of people claiming to be Ivanka Trump without an ID getting to vote.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Voter fraud isnt an actual problem? Oh my, there are literally videos of people claiming to be Ivanka Trump without an ID getting to vote.

A few instances is not enough to spend months of time and millions of dollars to begin a national voter ID campaign. Until it is proven that enough people engage in it, and their vote is counted, to cause the outcome of an election to be altered in some way, then it's a waste of time and money. If it were free and you could just snap your fingers and have a completely fair voter ID system nationwide then that'd be fine, but it's just not worth the time and money it would require.

Originally posted by BackFire
A few instances is not enough to spend months of time and millions of dollars to begin a national voter ID campaign. Until it is proven that enough people engage in it, and their vote is counted, to cause the outcome of an election to be altered in some way, then it's a waste of time and money. If it were free and you could just snap your fingers and have a completely fair voter ID system nationwide then that'd be fine, but it's just not worth the time and money it would require.

Dude, people literally THINK RUSSIA COMMITTED VOTER FRAUD and changed VOTES and the BALLOT BOX, HERE on THIS FORUM

CMON!

Originally posted by Blindside12
Dude, people literally THINK RUSSIA COMMITTED VOTER FRAUD and changed VOTES and the BALLOT BOX, HERE on THIS FORUM

CMON!

And?

Originally posted by BackFire
Because it's a waste of time because voter fraud is not an actual problem, it's a made up problem so some states can engage in voter suppression. Hence why there are no actual numbers to suggest it's a problem in any significant way.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but if you look at the big picture, it is a problem if only because so many people THINK it's a problem. As long as people can blame their side losing on illegal votes it gives them justification to act out when it happens. Passing such a thing is one way of keeping those people from rioting and raising a ruckus on the level o even worse than what Libs did after the last election. These days anything that contributes to voters faith in the system is a good thing.

It isn't if you're just placating to idiots with a baseless fear.

Originally posted by BackFire
And?

Your just saying voter fraud isnt a problem when 50% of the country literally thinks it is regarding the election.

Adam was jsut saying how he believed Russia changed votes in this last election.

Originally posted by BackFire
Because it's a waste of time because voter fraud is not an actual problem, it's a made up problem so some states can engage in voter suppression. Hence why there are no actual numbers to suggest it's a problem in any significant way.

It would actually save them time in the long run. as it is they are having to continually waste time fighting against the other side trying to get their version passed.

Originally posted by BackFire
It isn't if you're just placating to idiots with a baseless fear.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Your just saying voter fraud isnt a problem when 50% of the country literally thinks it is regarding the election.

Adam was jsut saying how he believed Russia changed votes in this last election.

Obviously that's a different type of issue, one that voter ID would not help with.

No one thinks a bunch of Russian actors came to America and cast votes for Trump.

Putin is saving that for 2020.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It would actually save them time in the long run. as it is they are having to continually waste time fighting against the other side trying to get their version passed.

No it wouldn't, it would be essentially admitting that there is a problem big enough to warrant voter ID, which would only empower those who want to use it to suppress votes. Besides not much time is being spent arguing against this. There is no chance that such a system gets passed at a national level and the states that to enact it are so deep red anyways that democrats' feelings on it are irrelevant.

Originally posted by BackFire
Obviously that's a different type of issue, one that voter ID would not help with.

No one thinks a bunch of Russian actors came to America and cast votes for Trump.

Putin is saving that for 2020.

We musn't forget the "three million illegals" that voted for Clinton.

They have been arguing against it for decades. that is a lot of wasted time.

Originally posted by BackFire
Obviously that's a different type of issue, one that voter ID would not help with.

No one thinks a bunch of Russian actors came to America and cast votes for Trump.

Putin is saving that for 2020.

No it wouldn't, it would be essentially admitting that there is a problem big enough to warrant voter ID, which would only empower those who want to use it to suppress votes. Besides not much time is being spent arguing against this. There is no chance that such a system gets passed at a national level and the states that to enact it are so deep red anyways that democrats' feelings on it are irrelevant.

I'm not talking about Voter ID, im talking about Voter Fraud, however it happens. 50% of this country thinks Russia hacked the election and changed votes at the ballot box.

No people think Russia hacked the ballot boxes. Adam just posted some Fake News from NBC about it, saying bullshit.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They have been arguing against it for decades. that is a lot of wasted time.

It doesn't take much effort to say "Show the evidence that it is a problem large enough to spend time and money to fix". And then laugh when the other side fails to provide even an iota of valid data.

Much worse to lie and agree that it's a problem in the hopes that you can implement a pretend fix to a pretend problem so stupid people will shut up.