Mass Shootings in America Thread

They need to ban ammo, all ammo, with only the military and law enforcement agencies are allowed to purchase. Also make it illegal for private citizens to make their own ammo and discourage it with ridiculously long prison sentences, like 10yrs for every bullet/shell made, mandatory.

It's not infringing on the 2nd amendment, as people can still posses and polish their guns and they can aim at targets while making *bang* *bang* sounds, but it's cutting down on the ability for criminals to use guns. Problem solved.

I know I'm not the first person to bring this up.

#banammo

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No. if you can't kill someone with 5 to 6 bullets, then you have no business owning a gun.

Then you are arguing with Surter, not I. My comments regarding the AK can apply to any firearm. Because All I said was "WHY DO YOU NEED IT". Defense can be accomplished with a kitchen knife, a garden tool, Do you know how many woodcutting axes and machetes are out there? Heaps. I own one of each myself, in a country that has strict weapon laws. You don't NEED a gun to defend yourself and your property. you WANT it tho, and that is the difference.

Spoken like someone that has never had to use a gun. This isn't the movies where people stand out in the open and fire at each other on the count of 3.

I'm not arguing with Surtur as he isn't the one talking about fully-automatic weapons, you were. Here is one of the times you mentioned them

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And yet, banning or regulating anything bar combat knives is nonsensical because many actual legit businesses depend on them. ONLY the military and law enforcement actually NEEDS access to assault weapons for the purposes of their job, and they can obtain government exception for that.

What reason does the ordinary civilian have that absolutely requires the use of a fully automatic 7.62mm assault weapon? Are they hunting tanks in the wilderness?

I know why ordinary people need access to steak knives and cleavers. They are used in food preparation, but ASSAULT WEAPONS?! Come on, give me a decent reason Surt. Self defense does not require a 30 round mag you can empty into people in 5 seconds from 200 yards away. That kind of firepower is more likely to be used by the crazies than by people looking to protect themselves.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I can easily quote you mentioning fully automatic weapons multiple times.

But if you want to claim that it was Surtur and not you that mentioned fully automatic weapons first, by all means post the quote.

Your asking me to defend a stance I never made. Your question posits that I said automatic weapons are responsible for something, which is something I never said. It also posits that it has to be so, also untrue.

The last auto weapon massacre I recall was the Port Arthur massacre, which prompted gun control reform here in Australia.

Originally posted by darthgoober
As far as I know, no one here is arguing against things like background checks, so we're actually pro regulation. That kind of point has already been agreed upon a long time ago. The ones who are really driving this argument forward are those like Firefly who want to ban them outright and that's the type of stance that our arguments are geared towards.

I don;t think Firefly is expecting a full ban. That's as I said an unrealistic expectation, even if I understand why he desires it. But tightening those regulations should not be scoffed at either.

I've already quoted you saying fully automatic weapons.

BTW, I looked up the Port Arthur massacre. no fully automatic weapon was used.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Spoken like someone that has never had to use a gun. This isn't the movies where people stand out in the open and fire at each other on the count of 3.

As someone who has had professional standards training in the use of firearms to do his damn job, I can clearly stat that you've got no idea how reality works do you? If you are aiming at a home invader, inside your own home, which could not be more than 20 meters at the longest in most homes, and you can't hit your target at that distance, then you do not need to be holding a firearm.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not arguing with Surtur as he isn't the one talking about fully-automatic weapons, you were. Here is one of the times you mentioned them

I see you selectively did not read further back than my post SM. I want you to find Surter's first mention of the AK-47. If it's earlier than this post, then you should apologise.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've already quoted you saying fully automatic weapons.

BTW, I looked up the Port Arthur massacre. no fully automatic weapon was used.

Bryant used the Colt AR-15 SP1 Carbine, I think it was set in Semi Auto. You do realize that's actually a HEAVIER indictment against the use of weapons? not less?

I mean lets just picture this for a second, if he had that gun in full auto mode, do you think he would have been more or less dangerous?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
As someone who has had professional standards training in the use of firearms to do his damn job, I can clearly stat that you've got no idea how reality works do you? If you are aiming at a home invader, inside your own home, which could not be more than 20 meters at the longest in most homes, and you can't hit your target at that distance, then you do not need to be holding a firearm.

I see you selectively did not read further back than my post SM. I want you to find Surter's first mention of the AK-47. If it's earlier than this post, then you should apologise.

You have no idea what you're talking about. you sound like someone that has only ever fired at a shooting range. IOW, a weekend warrior.

Surtur didn't mention fully automatic weapons, that was you as I've proven by quoting one of the times you mentioned them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You have no idea what you're talking about. you sound like someone that has only ever fired at a shooting range. IOW, a weekend warrior.

Surtur didn't mention fully automatic weapons, that was you as I've proven by quoting one of the times you mentioned them.

It's why it's not even worth it. They are pumped full of self righteousness right now.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You have no idea what you're talking about. you sound like someone that has only ever fired at a shooting range. IOW, a weekend warrior.

I worked security. And I never had to rely on any of my firearms in the line of duty because I always found a better way than threats of lethal force. I don;t like the thought of killing people because unlike some people in this world, I value human life, yes, even those of complete scumballs. It should not be up to me to determine the value of a life.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Surtur didn't mention fully automatic weapons, that was you as I've proven by quoting one of the times you mentioned them.

HE MENTIONED THE AK you liar. That post was in reply to that directly. So you can jam that complete lie.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's why it's not even worth it. They are pumped full of self righteousness right now.

What self righteousness? If you are going to personally insult me at least have the balls to explain to me why.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Bryant used the Colt AR-15 SP1 Carbine, I think it was set in Semi Auto. You do realize that's actually a HEAVIER indictment against the use of weapons? not less?

I mean lets just picture this for a second, if he had that gun in full auto mode, do you think he would have been more or less dangerous?

Your comment was about fully automatic weapons, so no. your example using something other than a fully automatic weapon is not a "HEAVIER indictment".

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I worked security. And I never had to rely on any of my firearms in the line of duty because I always found a better way than threats of lethal force. I don;t like the thought of killing people because unlike some people in this world, I value human life, yes, even those of complete scumballs. It should not be up to me to determine the value of a life.

HE MENTIONED THE AK you liar. That post was in reply to that directly. So you can jam that complete lie.

Good for you. doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow, You didn't even know that AK's come in semi-auto, thanks for proving my point about your lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by Firefly218
First of all, I am an American. I was born in this country, I pay taxes and I vote. I am very familiar with the constitution, and that it says we have the right to bare arms with a "well-regulated militia".

Everything else you just said is complete horse shit. Never have I said banning all guns is a feasible option nor have I indicated an assault weapons ban is just a step.

And the regulations are to prevent dead children and dead concert goers and dead gay people. You can give up that cool gun and your Rambo fantasies for the sake of the dead. If I had a cool Ferrari that I really liked but it was being used by a bunch of crazies to massacre children, yes I'd give it up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
All guns should be banned, yes. The sensible plan though is to do it gradually, like by starting to get rid of semi-automatic weapons and work down from there.

I'm British so I'm tragically ignorant on guns, but my understanding is that rifles are more deadly than pistols and can fire quicker.

But in my defense in you have voiced that you supported the outright banning of guns(both rifle and pistol), which likely contributed to my confusion...

Originally posted by Firefly218
I’m for banning any weaponry that can be used by civilians to inflict mass death. Handguns or rifles, doesn’t matter. I think you knew that and were characteristically being petty.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your comment was about fully automatic weapons, so no. your example using something other than a fully automatic weapon is not a "HEAVIER indictment".

Yes it is. because an assault weapon employed in semi auto, was able to do that. The risk of full auto weapons being far greater makes the indictment against auto weapons even more damning. Unless you do not know what a full order of magnitude more dangerous entails.

But yep, you've only hooked yourself into a single interpretation in order to discredit anything else said, so you are doing your circle trolling thing again. Nothing I say will penetrate, and you don't care about anything else, so you are starting to waste my time again.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I don;t think Firefly is expecting a full ban. That's as I said an unrealistic expectation, even if I understand why he desires it. But tightening those regulations should not be scoffed at either.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes it is. because an assault weapon employed in semi auto, was able to do that. The risk of full auto weapons being far greater makes the indictment against auto weapons even more damning. Unless you do not know what a full order of magnitude more dangerous entails.

But yep, you've only hooked yourself into a single interpretation in order to discredit anything else said, so you are doing your circle trolling thing again. Nothing I say will penetrate, and you don't care about anything else, so you are starting to waste my time again.

Your comment was about fully automatic weapons, that is what I'm questioning. just admit you were using semi and fully auto interchangeably due to lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What self righteousness? If you are going to personally insult me at least have the balls to explain to me why.

It was more towards most leftists participating, but dude you can sometimes come off as...it almost sounds like you are lecturing people lol.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Good for you. doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow, You didn't even know that AK's come in semi-auto, thanks for proving my point about your lack of knowledge.

Except I do, and you who have not been trained have no room to compare. But please, continue assuming.

Point to me where Surter made that distinction SM, please. Because yes, I know that AKs can come in Semi, but when you think of assault rifles, do you default to semi or auto? When i hear AK, I actually am trained to assume the greater danger, as is most reasonable people. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" is a method I use. If you think that is wrong, then you sir are a fool in my eyes.

personally i am stumped.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It wasn't him, it was Neph, but there's no way Neph is the only one who thinks that way.

IIRC, Firefly has also stated he wants all weapons capable of "rapid fire" banned, including handguns.