Originally posted by socool8520As it should be, good for Harvard. Equality doesn't mean equal treatment it means a levelled playing field and equalled opportunities. Even for poor people who had to work twice as hard to get any opportunity.
^ That they weren't accepted with higher scores is what I gathered from the article. More under privileged minorities got the nod instead
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
As it should be, good for Harvard. Equality doesn't mean equal treatment it means a levelled playing field and equalled opportunities. Even for poor people who had to work twice as hard to get any opportunity.
I disagree. Equality definitely means equal treatment. Poverty doesn't keep you from becoming educated. Your devotion or lack thereof is what determines whether you will succeed academically or not. It's not like there aren't any people who came from poor families but still succeeded.
I definitely think access to education should be cheaper so more people can afford to go, but I am strongly against lowering the bar for some just because of race, sex, religion, etc.
Originally posted by socool8520Of course equality doesn't mean equal treatment. If you are physically handicapped you need to be pushed to your destination to be able to have a chance. If you are a person living in poverty, hardly able to get enough food with alcoholic parents and you almost get to Harvard, you should get the nod over someone who had a 200 million trust fund and barely got in. It's clear who the better and more talented individual is.
I disagree. Equality definitely means equal treatment. Poverty doesn't keep you from becoming educated. Your devotion or lack thereof is what determines whether you will succeed academically or not.
If any form of positive discrimination is to take place, it should be simply towards those from impoverished backgrounds, regardless of skin colour. This race thing is really just becoming a fetish to make people feel good about themselves and get PR by being "diverse".
But of course that will never happen, because what folks really don't like are poor people. 🙁
Originally posted by BeniboyblingExactly and my argument from the start. Equality for all.
If any form of positive discrimination is to take place, it should be simply towards those from impoverished backgrounds, regardless of skin colour. This race thing is really just becoming a fetish to make people feel good about themselves and get PR by being "diverse".But of course that will never happen, because what folks really don't like are poor people. 🙁
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Of course equality doesn't mean equal treatment. If you are physically handicapped you need to be pushed to your destination to be able to have a chance. If you are a person living in poverty, hardly able to get enough food with alcoholic parents and you almost get to Harvard, you should get the nod over someone who had a 200 million trust fund and barely got in. It's clear who the better and more talented individual is.
Wait, what? You need more than just money to go to Harvard. You need intelligence. So why would a poor person who almost gets in be the clear superior(talent wise) to a rich person barely getting in? What does that even mean? And where does being a better person come into play in all this?
Originally posted by SurturSit and think about it, you'll work it out, but probably you won't. Silly Rabbit.
Wait, what? You need more than just money to go to Harvard. You need intelligence. So why would a poor person who almost gets in be the clear superior(talent wise) to a rich person barely getting in? What does that even mean? And where does being a better person come into play in all this?
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Of course equality doesn't mean equal treatment. If you are physically handicapped you need to be pushed to your destination to be able to have a chance.If you are a person living in poverty, hardly able to get enough food with alcoholic parents and you almost get to Harvard, you should get the nod over someone who had a 200 million trust fund and barely got in. It's clear who the better and more talented individual is.
In this instance you are implying a handicap. Of course they are not equal at that point. Being poor is a disadvantage but it doesn't impede your ability to learn. Math is still math no matter what school you go to. Same with the other subjects. There are free tutoring programs and such for aiding poor children with learning.
You're pushing extremes to try to justify your point. Show me statistically where this is the case a significant amount of the time and I'll consider your point. Not to mention, if the kid barely got in, he can't afford to go there anyway. Now if you want to talk about the travesty that is the over priced cost of education, I'll be right there with you.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Sit and think about it, you'll work it out, but probably you won't. Silly Rabbit.
Well no because you didn't state that the poor kid spent more time studying, worked harder, etc. You just said they both barely got in. You can't project your bias against the rich onto others and expect them to get your point.
Originally posted by socool8520http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may13/vol70/num08/How-Poverty-Affects-Classroom-Engagement.aspx
In this instance you are implying a handicap. Of course they are not equal at that point. Being poor is a disadvantage but it doesn't impede your ability to learn.
Do you know how many studies around the world make that the most ill-informed comment ever?
Seriously... Trumpers.
Don't get me start on restricted and elaborated code etc.
It's honestly incredible how thick you people are.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
deficient school systems in impoverished areas have no impact on individual education? interesting hypothesis.
I made high marks in poor school districts as did many other children I went to school with. Did they teach a different kind of math at the school you went to? Did they teach it at all? If they didn't, then I can see your point. I also pointed out programs that are available for poor families if there are textbook shortages and such. Hell, we had to double up at a couple of the schools I attended as a child. If you are focused on education, you can succeed. My parents, luckily, were advocates for education.
Here's one:
Originally posted by socool8520Poverty doesn't effect the quality of a person's education... wat?
In this instance you are implying a handicap. Of course they are not equal at that point. Being poor is a disadvantage but it doesn't impede your ability to learn. Math is still math no matter what school you go to. Same with the other subjects. There are free tutoring programs and such for aiding poor children with learning.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
deficient school systems in impoverished areas have no impact on individual education? interesting hypothesis.
It's so retarded and flies in the face of every Educational statistic on the effects of Poverty on Education ever. I realised again who the hell I am trying to talk to.