Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's fine if you want to utilize his force field, that's your prerogative but he's as likely to use that as Thor is teleport him without Mjolnir using his lightning.
That's not an answer. Either Juggs come to every forum fight with his FF on or he doesn't. It's not about choice in this case, but rather capability.
When has Thor teleported someone without Mjolnir?
That is more about choice and not capability.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not an answer. Either Juggs come to every forum fight with his FF on or he doesn't. It's not about choice in this case, but rather capability.When has Thor teleported someone without Mjolnir?
That is more about choice and not capability.
Dude, there's more evidence that Thor can fly without his hammer using his weather powers than there is Juggernaut using his force field. Is Juggernaut CAPABLE of using it? Honestly, I don't know. Whether you assume he can or can't I guess depends on what suits your biases in a thread no? Because there has been no specific statement that he can't AFAIK and he recently supposedly got an upgrade (On paper anyway).
He's used his lightning for teleportation on more than one occasion. On some of them, he's had Mjolnir but I think it's pretty clearly established that he doesn't need Mjolnir for his weather powers. I wasn't referring to portals.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, what day and what time? I need something specific so I can dedicate an hour or two to this.
Did you think I had dedicated time for this? I gave you time for this week as I was free till today.
I don't have to forfeit anything. You keep acting as if all my statements are in a vacuum. Case in point, you want to debate Axis Thor vs Juggernaut because I said axis Thor beats up Juggernaut and of course he does. He's the regular Thor, just pissed off and more willing to go all-out. Why do I think that's scary? Because we've seen what all-out Thor, specifically Fraction/JMS/Gillen/Aaron's incarnation is capable off, and he would shit on Juggernaut's soul.
So why are you turning on your statement? If you had said Thor without mjolnir can beat Juggernaut, that's one point. You specifically said Unworthy Thor will beat Juggernaut and has better feats. And then try to backpeddle and now this.
Are you autistic or something?
Wait, you'll do what battle zone anyway? Regular Thor vs. Juggernaut? 😂 That's just unfair to you.
Yes, without mjolnir as you seem to think Thor without mjolnir can beat Juggernaut.
Anyways, Thor without Mjolnir (But with his axe) vs. Juggernaut as agreed upon. Sunday? Monday? When?
I don't have time next week or pretty much the whole month. I gave you time for this and you bitched out as usual.
If you want to do that battlezone and not with unworthy Thor, I take your concession that what you said earlier (unworthy Thor having better feats than Juggernaut) was just a bravado.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI see these statements in the opening post:
Unworthy Thor has better feats than anything Juggernaut has done.Axis Unworthy Thor beats his ass. Worse than regular Thor would probably.
a). Unworthy Thor's feats > ANY of Juggernaut's feats [but at the same time.....saying that he loses against Juggernaut? is that right?]
b). Axis Unworthy Thor beats him worse than regular Thor
These are the ones to be debated, no?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did you think I had dedicated time for this? I gave you time for this week as I was free till today.So why are you turning on your statement? If you had said Thor without mjolnir can beat Juggernaut, that's one point. You specifically said Unworthy Thor will beat Juggernaut and has better feats. And then try to backpeddle and now this.
Are you autistic or something?
Yes, without mjolnir as you seem to think Thor without mjolnir can beat Juggernaut.
I don't have time next week or pretty much the whole month. I gave you time for this and you bitched out as usual.
If you want to do that battlezone and not with unworthy Thor, I take your concession that what you said earlier (unworthy Thor having better feats than Juggernaut) was just a bravado.
Wait what, you're busy for a month now? You said you're available this week? It's Friday!
Unworthy Thor is the same Thor that fought against the Beyonder's and b*tched out Proxima Midnight, current Hela, and the Grandmaster effortlessly and matched the Mother Storm against the Phoenix. I stand by that he has better feats than anything Juggernaut has done (Outside of durability obviously). I don't think that mean's he'd beat Juggernaut if we use his feats from Unworthy alone because that would be ridiculous and his poorer feats still exist, even if they can be excused by his negative mindset.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I see these statements in the opening post:a). Unworthy Thor's feats > ANY of Juggernaut's feats [but at the same time.....saying that he loses against Juggernaut? is that right?]
b). Axis Unworthy Thor beats him worse than regular ThorThese are the ones to be debated, no?
Yup, because I'm accounting for his force field. It might not be a regularly used power but Abhil is obviously going to use it. Just covering my bases. 🙂
I think Axis Thor beats would beat him worse than regular Thor because he's a lot less likely to hold back. That doesn't mean Axis Thor feats > Regular Thor feats. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. Smh.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait what, you're busy for a month now? You said you're available this week? It's Friday!
Yes, some of us has better things to do than this.
Unworthy Thor is the same Thor that fought against the Beyonder's and b*tched out Proxima Midnight, current Hela, and the Grandmaster effortlessly and matched the Mother Storm against the Phoenix.
So why don't you use that except of using Thor in general without mjolnir.
Are you that afraid?
I stand by that he has better feats than anything Juggernaut has done (Outside of durability obviously). I don't think that mean's he'd beat Juggernaut if we use his feats from Unworthy alone because that would be ridiculous and his poorer feats still exist, even if they can be excused by his negative mindset.
But that's what you said. Are you retracting your statement now?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, some of us has better things to do than this.So why don't you use that except of using Thor in general without mjolnir.
Are you that afraid?
But that's what you said. Are you retracting your statement now?
I'm in graduate school and work. I understand a busy schedule.
This is getting tedious and we've run around in circles. I can't force you to understand why thinking that Unworthy Thor having better feats and him winning the battle with a character as unique as Juggernaut using ONLY just those feats is the same thing. Juggernaut at his very best using specifically all his feats has a mystically impenetrable force field. It's the only hope he has, so I know you'll reference it even if he's unlikely to use it all. That doesn't mean Juggernaut can beat Thor, not at all btw.
My scans are ready and my first post is written up. Tomorrow afternoon? Monday morning?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dude, there's more evidence that Thor can fly without his hammer using his weather powers than there is Juggernaut using his force field. Is Juggernaut CAPABLE of using it? Honestly, I don't know. Whether you assume he can or can't I guess depends on what suits your biases in a thread no? Because there has been no specific statement that he can't AFAIK and he recently supposedly got an upgrade (On paper anyway).He's used his lightning for teleportation on more than one occasion. On some of them, he's had Mjolnir but I think it's pretty clearly established that he doesn't need Mjolnir for his weather powers. I wasn't referring to portals.
I asked for your opinion. Make a decision. In your opinion, does Jugg come to every forum fight with FF on? Does he come to this fight with it on?
There is no right or wrong answer. When I debate, I like to be on the same page first.
I'm simply asking questions. Stop being defensive. I have no idea that Thor used lightning to teleport. Are you arguing that he can without Mjolnir since he still has weather powers?
Originally posted by h1a8
I asked for your opinion. Make a decision. In your opinion, does Jugg come to every forum fight with FF on? Does he come to this fight with it on?There is no right or wrong answer. When I debate, I like to be on the same page first.
I'm simply asking questions. Stop being defensive. I have no idea that Thor used lightning to teleport. Are you arguing that he can without Mjolnir since he still has weather powers?
Nothing to be defensive about. I'd assume for sake of fairness that he'd have his force field on at least a CIS-less or all-out fight. That's the only medium I can fight to coincide his ability to use it but never doing so.
Yes, he's done so before.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nothing to be defensive about. I'd assume for sake of fairness that he'd have his force field on at least a CIS-less or all-out fight. That's the only medium I can fight to coincide his ability to use it but never doing so.Yes, he's done so before.
Ok in a CIS-less fight he has FF on.
May you post a scan of Thor using lightning to teleport without the aid of Mjolnir? And give the issue number if you have it.